Thursday, August 24th 2017

Retailers are Buying AMD RX Vega 64 at $675 Each

The Radeon RX Vega series launch has been particularly disappointing for gamers and PC enthusiasts because their otherwise interesting price-performance ratios at $499 for the RX Vega 64 and $399 for the RX Vega 56, were quickly stripped away by dwindling stock and sky-rocketing prices, with the RX Vega 64 even going above $1k in some places. We are not even sure if the miners are to blame or whether supplier-level pricing has been adjusted after the launch to a higher price point that makes AMD's promised pricing impossible to achieve.

It turns out that retailers might not be the ones making a quick buck at this madness. Leaked invoices show that distributors (entities that supply inventory to retailers) have inflated prices even at their level. A San Jose-based distributor, Ma Laboratories Inc., is quoting USD $675 per unit of a reference-design (not Limited Edition), Radeon RX Vega 64 SKU to a computer store. The $499 price AMD launched the RX Vega 64 at, is supposed to be the end-user price (minus government taxes). The retailer we're in touch with confirmed that they were offered no volume pricing discount due to low stock at the distributor itself. A distributor should ideally sell the product to a retailer at a much lesser price than $499, so the retailer can make their margin. The higher up the supply-chain, the more control AMD gets. The company is in a better position to rein in on distributors than retailers. If distributors are inflating prices with apparent impunity, it wouldn't surprise us if this goes even higher up.
Can AMD do anything about this? It can work with AIB partners to significantly increase production to bring down prices. But that would be a huge gamble, which will either work, putting cards in the hands of gamers at the prices they were promised; or won't, by creating more miners; or worse still, end up as bankruptcy-causing unsold inventories, if the mining craze were to somehow subside.

There is another option AMD can try, in our opinion. It can re-launch RX Vega 64 and RX Vega 56 as new SKUs which come with crippled cypto-currency mining abilities (a special BIOS or something driver-level, or even something at the silicon-level), and discontinue the RX Vega 56 and RX Vega 64. The new SKUs could be clearly advertised as not being meant for crypto-currency mining (so as to deter false-marketing lawsuits). This is important for AMD, because the Radeon brand is under threat.

The more overpriced Radeon cards end up in the hands of miners, the fewer cards end up in the hands of gamers at the prices AMD promised; and conversely the lesser game developers are inclined to optimize their games for AMD Radeon, because fewer gamers use Radeon. NVIDIA can accelerate brand Radeon's demise by doubling down on game developer relations and pushing the next-generation of Game Works.
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135 Comments on Retailers are Buying AMD RX Vega 64 at $675 Each

#126
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RejZoRThey have a coprocessor on the Vega GPU. surely they can teach it to recognize cryptocurrency and just be absolute dud with it
Not without crippling compute they can't. That's why this issue exists.
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#127
Xzibit
R-T-BNot without crippling compute they can't. That's why this issue exists.
PCPer allude to the basis of the arm in there to be for security. Could it be repurpose is the question hes asking. If its running security integrity checks then I dont see why not but then it goes into will they or if they even want to or can or willing.

Its non-active in RX from what they said in there discussion.
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XzibitPCPer allude to the basis of the arm in there to be for security. Could it be repurpose is the question hes asking. If its running security integrity checks then I dont see why not but then it goes into will they or if they even want to or can or willing.

Its non-active in RX from what they said in there discussion.
The algorithms vary too much. There's no way for even a general purpose CPU to differentiate from gaming compute, which is why no one is trying.
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#129
Xzibit
R-T-BThe algorithms vary too much. There's no way for even a general purpose CPU to differentiate from gaming compute, which is why no one is trying.
Its not open-source
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#130
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XzibitIts not open-source
How is that relevant to detecting crypto without breaking gaming compute?
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#131
Xzibit
R-T-BHow is that relevant to detecting crypto without breaking gaming compute?
Did you not say, "that's why no-one is tryn"
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#132
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XzibitDid you not say, "that's why no-one is tryn"
Uh... I said because you cannot differentiate the compiled workloads, no one is trying. They are all opencl kernels to the GPU.

I don't know how open/closed source got relevant, frankly.
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#133
Xzibit
R-T-BUh... I said because you cannot differentiate the compiled workloads, no one is trying. They are all opencl kernels to the GPU.

I don't know how open/closed source got relevant, frankly.
To access the security processor ?
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#134
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XzibitTo access the security processor ?
Why would a mining program access the security processor?

I thought the argument was AMD would use the security processor to prevent mining. In order to do this, the security processor would need to be able to differentiate workloads.

I think we just had a big miscommunication somewhere, it happens on occasion.
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#135
Vya Domus
You can't "detect and cripple mining software" while leaving everything else unaffected. Period.

You can cripple it , but you would cripple the performance on all workloads.

Conspiracy theory ( hold on to your tinfoil hats ):

Now that I think about it , maybe AMD is honest and they are doing their best to get these off the hands of miners and have purposely crippled the card as a whole. And they are going to de-cripple it when this whole things dies out via a magic driver update.

Well...probably not.
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