Wednesday, December 13th 2017
AMD Confirms 2nd Generation Ryzen Processors to Debut in Q1-2018
At a press event, AMD confirmed that its 2nd generation Ryzen desktop processors will debut in Q1-2018 (before April). It also clarified that "2nd Generation" does not equal "Zen2" (a micro-architecture that succeeds "Zen"). 2nd Generation Ryzen processors are based on two silicons, the 12 nm "Pinnacle Ridge," which is a GPU-devoid silicon with up to eight CPU cores; and "Raven Ridge," which is an APU combining up to 4 CPU cores with an iGPU based on the "Vega" graphics architecture. The core CPU micro-architecture is still "Zen." The "Pinnacle Ridge" silicon takes advantage of the optical shrink to 12 nm to increase clock speeds, with minimal impact on power-draw.
AMD is also launching a new generation of chipset, under the AMD 400-series. There's not much known about these chipsets. Hopefully they feature PCIe gen 3.0 general purpose lanes. The second-generation Ryzen processors and APUs will carry the 2000-series model numbering, with clear differentiation between chips with iGPU and those without. Both product lines will work on socket AM4 motherboards, including existing ones based on AMD 300-series chipset (requiring a BIOS update). AMD is reserving "Zen2," the IPC-increasing successor of "Zen" for 2019. The "Mattise" silicon will drive the multi-core CPU product-line, while the "Picasso" silicon will drive the APU line. Both these chips will run on existing AM4 motherboards, as AMD plans to keep AM4 as its mainstream-desktop socket till 2020.
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WCCFTech
AMD is also launching a new generation of chipset, under the AMD 400-series. There's not much known about these chipsets. Hopefully they feature PCIe gen 3.0 general purpose lanes. The second-generation Ryzen processors and APUs will carry the 2000-series model numbering, with clear differentiation between chips with iGPU and those without. Both product lines will work on socket AM4 motherboards, including existing ones based on AMD 300-series chipset (requiring a BIOS update). AMD is reserving "Zen2," the IPC-increasing successor of "Zen" for 2019. The "Mattise" silicon will drive the multi-core CPU product-line, while the "Picasso" silicon will drive the APU line. Both these chips will run on existing AM4 motherboards, as AMD plans to keep AM4 as its mainstream-desktop socket till 2020.
101 Comments on AMD Confirms 2nd Generation Ryzen Processors to Debut in Q1-2018
[...]GPU-devioid silicon with up to eight CPU cores[...]
[...]The second-generation Ryzen processors and APUs will carry they 2000-series model numbering[...]
I wonder what performance to expect from APUs with 28 CUs. (8 are between 940MX and MX150)Yay, bad, baaaaad AMD!!!
Nvidia uses TSMC and AMD uses Globalfoundries. And their process nodes are very different which also becomes apparent when looking at how Nvidia's GPUs behave when manufactured on TSMC's 16nm process versus on Samsung's 14nm process which Globalfoundries' process is based on.Globalfoundries announced it sometime ago. Like many other node announcements, this is a small improvement to 14nm. Hardly even a half-node. It offers higher frequencies and some reduction in area. It's better tuned for performance as 14nm was based on Samsung's 14nm LPP which is made for low power/mobile.
Then add the new process and probably other arch features they added with APU's that translate to maybe 1-2% ipc + couple hundred mhz clock = good.
The memory latencies seems to be slightly improved with their apu's but I wouldn't say it for certain as there is only one CCX in apu and two in ryzen.
I think it'll compete better with intel in games while providing their value and core count.
Anyway, it should be interesting to see how much the clocks increase amd how much further, if any, it overclocks. If i were to guess, id say 200-300 mhz clock increase, but overclocking remains the same, barely past boost.
however seems you care a lot about typos made by others instead of yours, in the four posts you have....
Err as far as i remember the 14nm+++ got talked about then forgotten about as it got renamed 12nm ,or that's how i percieved it but who knows what dimensions it's really packing these days.
What matters here is the price. At current prices, Ryzen is a compelling alternative to Kaby/Coffee Lake. A newer process automatically means higher frequencies (it remains to be seen how much higher) that will hopefully bring the performance at the same level as Intel's. But if the yields are poor and prices go up, things become more complicated.
Even if the image isn't photochopped, it's from before Raven Ridge launch (note the launched vs launches). There has been no recent AMD even where they would have confirmed or said anything about them so at best this should be really, really old news and it should be mentioned that if they actually said something about Pinnacle Ridge, it happened ages ago.
You should also make note that Raven Ridge is 14nm since you specify that Pinnacle is 12nm.
Oh and that other image isn't confirmed to be real either, it could be fake just aswell.
If we can see IPC go up 5%-10%, and then see clocks rise to around 4.5GHz this will be very competitive.
What they need to focus on is the memory compatibility, latency, and infinity fabric performance.
- Ryzen 2410x - 3.3Ghz/3.7Ghz Boost, 4-Cores No SMT - Price: $99 - Sept.
- Ryzen 2430x - 3.6Ghz/4.0Ghz Boost, 4-Cores No SMT - Price $129 - Late August
- Ryzen 2550x - 3.5Ghz/3.9Ghz Boost, 4-Cores / 8-Threads - Price $169 - May
- Ryzen 2570x - 3.8Ghz/4.2Ghz Boost, 4-Cores / 8-Threads - Price $199 - April
- Ryzen 2650x - 3.7Ghz/4.1Ghz Boost, 6-Cores/ 12-Threads - Price $239 - June
- Ryzen 2670x - 4.2Ghz/4.5Ghz Boost, 6-Cores/ 12-Threads - Price $279 - April
- Ryzen 2730x - 3.6Ghz/4.0Ghz Boost, 8-Cores/ 16-Threads - Price $329 - March
- Ryzen 2750x - 3.9Ghz/4.2Ghz Boost, 8-Cores/ 16-Threads - Price $409 - March
- Ryzen 2770x - 4.2Ghz/4.5Ghz Boost, 8-Cores/ 16-Threads - Price $549 - Late Feb.
- Ryzen TR 2930x - 4.0Ghz/4.5Ghz Boost, 10-Cores/ 20 Threads - Price $699 - July
- Ryzen TR 2950x - 3.8Ghz/4.2Ghz Boost, 12-Cores/ 24-Threads - Price $849 - July
- Ryzen TR 2970x - 3.7Ghz/4.1Ghz Boost, 16-Cores/ 32-Threads - Price $999 - June
- Ryzen TR 2990x - 3.6Ghz/4.0Ghz Boost, 24 Cores/ 48 Threads - Price $1499 - Oct.