Must be fun being a monopoly for the high end gamers

Legacy-ZACan you imagine a game like Alien: Isolation with Raytracing support? Mind = blown. Or any new survival horror games. They will ooze with atmosphere.

I wish they would do a sequel to Isolation, I'm not really into survival games, but that was one of the best adaptations I've played.

lynx29Must be fun being a monopoly for the high end gamers

The joys of already offering literally double the performance of the competiton at 4K and not even with this... the full chip.

Legacy-ZACan you imagine a game like Alien: Isolation with Raytracing support? Mind = blown. Or any new survival horror games. They will ooze with atmosphere.

they will ooze 40 frames per second at 1080p. I'll pass.

Solaris17You see this shows a bit of construed judgement imo.



It sure is!



What makes you think I cant do that anyway? Are people that can afford this type of thing automatically profiled as money burning successful businessmen that look down on the common man in their vests? Unfortunately that is what alot of members seem to be going for.

Price performance vs cost? of course attack them as a company 100% this is a capitalist market. Attack people that can afford the card? Why? what purpose does that serve other than proving your salty?

its called socialism.. or an over exaggerated sense of self entitlement.. :)

trog

Must keep old tradition of Titan gpu-s but they could double numbers of tensor&rt cores at least you could play BF V @1440p ;)

Solaris17Are people that can afford this type of thing automatically profiled as money burning successful businessmen that look down on the common man in their vests?

Well, given that people who criticizes anything related to Nvidia's pricing get the "you just can't afford it/you are jealous/hater" response most of the time, yeah they aren't exactly helping themselves to make the case that they shouldn't be profiled as such.

And there is also all the people that don't want to acknowledge the fact that severely overpriced products are eventually going to bite everyone in the ass sooner or later.

trog100its called socialism.. or an over exaggerated sense of self entitlement.. :)

trog

I agree with the free markets running their course, but there is always a balance to be had, otherwise we will never get progress. I recommend you read Neil De Grasse Tyson's book Accessory to War, pretty much every single major technical innovation came from tax payer money, also if it wasn't for socialist programs like Medicare and Social Security, your grandparents, or well the vast majority of peoples grandparents would be suffering immeasurably, I don't know about you, but I'd rather pay a little tax than step over old homeless people moaning in pain in the millions. But hey enjoy your hypothetical full libertarian society, I am sure your gated community will provide a lot of great comfort to you!

Let's hope the other member of the CPU duopoly can help push prices down when they enter the market proper.

is the Titan RTX going to be gimped like the Geforce RTX? Geforces do not have fully capable turing cores compared to the Quadro versions. I didnt see anyone reporting that fact in the media.

FluffmeisterLet's hope the other member of the CPU duopoly can help push prices down when enter the market proper.

I have more hope in Intel now. RTG is dead to me.

Personally I'm hoping for some new blood.

Selling a cut down GPU for 1200$ is just insane.
This is what the RTX 2080 Ti should have been. doesn't matter if it's only a 7-10 percent performance difference, when you ask a premium price for a GPU you MUST deliver the absolute best that you can.

FluffmeisterThe joys of already offering literally double the performance of the competiton at 4K and not even with this... the full chip.

Right, this argument might be valid if the 2080ti and the Vega 64 were priced the same. Problem - they are not.
With the 2080 Ti you pay so much premium because of the stupid high die size that a huge part of it isn't even utilized that much, and with the current state of the 'rtx' demos. clearly is still not ready to market. they might as well just throw away half of the die space and get the same performance on 'conventional graphics' with a card probably half the price. IMHO its probably what most consumer wanted anyway. rtx is in alpha state performance wise. and when you look at actual demos. even besides performance, things like the horrible noise on 'rtx effects' its just mind boggling why any one would pay that much to be a beta tester on a product full of promises and marketing alone.

The main complaint as I see it isn't the 2080ti and isn't even the titan. mainstream don't care about this type of cards, and never buys them, the only people who buy this type of cards are either enthusiasts or plain and simple have too much money to spare..
The Problem is the mainstream cards. they brings almost nothing to the table besides maybe dlss. ray tracing is not fast enough on even the 2080ti for decent resolution/fps so on lower end its mainly marketing gimmick and a die space/excuse for a price increase. with past generations newer cards meant higher Performance at lower/the same price vs the product they replaced. the funny thing is that with the current generation (and the previous one when you count in the actual retail prices of maxwell cards at the time of pascal's release) you basically pay more for more performance, this isn't what a customer expects when he looks for a new product to replace his old one. imagine you replace your car every 2 years, you buy the same Japanese economy-box type of car, in 2010 the price was $25K, 2 years later you bought the updated model for $27K, 2 years later in 2014 the updated model was already at $30K and 2 years later in 2016 the company released the same car for $35K, why ? because they basically can, sure the newer car is much better at many aspects, but at the same time manufacturing is improving and new tech is lowered into the mass market with mass production.
the as you can buy a 4K tv dirt cheap vs its price 4 years ago.

that's basically invalidates the whole idea of different price brackets.

In 2014 a 970 had the same performance/$ as 770 2GB and better performance/$ than a 670.


today... a 2070 has worse performance/$ than a 2 Year old GTX 1070 and a 4 Year old GTX970.
let this sink. A GTX 2070 has WORSE performance/$ than a 4 YEARS OLD GPU.


Its like we are going backwards. much for 'innovation'..

As a GTX970 Owner I want a faster card, the 970 might be a decent 1080p card still, but with the current 1440p monitor I own it struggles with some games more than others. My luck (I guess) is that I game less today with full time work and games becoming worse (IMHO) so I play mostly when there is actually good and exiting release and not every big Ubisoft or EA game with exactly the same underlying game. but the point is that as an adult with bills to pay, its hard to allow yourself to throw money you saved on hardware like this when your old 4 year old card has better Price/performance than the new options. its just unacceptable I would say.

lynx29I agree with the free markets running their course, but there is always a balance to be had, otherwise we will never get progress. I recommend you read Neil De Grasse Tyson's book Accessory to War, pretty much every single major technical innovation came from tax payer money, also if it wasn't for socialist programs like Medicare and Social Security, your grandparents, or well the vast majority of peoples grandparents would be suffering immeasurably, I don't know about you, but I'd rather pay a little tax than step over old homeless people moaning in pain in the millions. But hey enjoy your hypothetical full libertarian society, I am sure your gated community will provide a lot of great comfort to you!

you have me worked out a tad wrong.. he he.. feeling you have rights about things that matter is one thing.. feeling you have rights about luxury items like top end graphics card is another..

i am quite old live in the UK and have seen it all.. sadly i have become somewhat cynical in my old age.. :)

i do believe the current generation have been brought up to expect a little too much.. most of them are in for a not very nice surprise.. one of them is not being able to afford an nvidia top end graphics card..


trog

IamEzioIts like we are going backwards. much for 'innovation'..

Indeed.

True, May 2016, who would have thought all this time later the GTX 1080 would still be a headache for AMD and the mighty Vega 64.

....you know this will probably be the card that can run the games without any performance hits.....nvdimagically...

if a 1080 performs and costs about the same as vega 64.. i cant see that nvidia is ripping anybody off..

a 2070 isnt a bad price.. it should perform well enough for most people with reasonable expectations.. ray tracing is for the future not the present.. and in truth nobody has to pay these top end prices to play games so whats the problem.. there isnt one..

trog

trog100you have me worked out a tad wrong.. he he.. feeling you have rights about things that matter is one thing.. feeling you have rights about luxury items like top end graphics card is another..

i am quite old live in the UK and have seen it all.. sadly i have become somewhat cynical in my old age.. :)

i do believe the current generation have been brought up to expect a little too much.. most of them are in for a not very nice surprise.. one of them is not being able to afford an nvidia top end graphics card..


trog

R&D cost money. They Nvidia scientists cannot live and support their family out of shear good will. With each generation the task of getting GPU design right is become harder and harder. Look at how AMD is doing, bascially recycling GCN indefinitely. It costs freaking money to get new technology done and as a marketable product. Expecting a top performer to be sold at peanut price while the competetion is non-existence is just dreaming.

xkm1948Expecting a top performer to be sold at peanut price

Nope, no one ever said that. So I suppose it is dreaming, actually.

Let's just say there is a bit of a difference between "peanuts" and over a thousands dollars. I guess Huang uses that magical power of his to make that gap vanish in the eye of the ... ehm ... consumer.

xkm1948R&D cost money. They Nvidia scientists cannot live and support their family out of shear good will. With each generation the task of getting GPU design right is become harder and harder. Look at how AMD is doing, bascially recycling GCN indefinitely. It costs freaking money to get new technology done and as a marketable product. Expecting a top performer to be sold at peanut price while the competetion is non-existence is just dreaming.

Spoiler

The "Where is my share" generation lolol They expect everything to be nice and easy.

Indeed, the R9 295X2 launched at $1500 and no one seemed to give a toss at the price:

www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_295_X2/

The 2080 Ti is less of a planet killer too, no magical powers could make that power consumption go away.

So a random forum poster somehow knows how to better pricing than the collective wisdom of the board of multi-million tech company. I say you submit your resume to Nvidia right away since you are more than qualified to make the call over there regarding pricing of Nvidia GPUs. Let us know how it goes.

xkm1948So a random forum poster somehow knows how to better pricing than the collective wisdom of the board of multi-million tech company.

Again, no one ever claimed that, it's just you alone who puts forward these bizarre points and gripes.

I don't follow, you reading a different thread or something mate ?

birdieWill this anti-NVIDIA whining ever stop? NVIDIA doesn't force you to buy any of their GPUs ever. You don't like their pricing? Don't buy NVIDIA then.

Ever since AMD has stopped being competitive at the top, everyone has suddenly become (price)sensitive and NVIDIA has become a monster.

Meanwhile NVIDIA keeps innovating unlike Intel which has been rebadging Skylake for the past three years and IceLake is nowhere to be seen.

My post was neither anti-NVIDIA or whining.