Wednesday, December 5th 2018

AMD 3rd Generation Ryzen Probable SKUs, Specs, Pricing Leaked?

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One of our readers tipped us off with a very plausible looking image that drops a motherlode of information about what AMD's 2nd generation Ryzen (aka Ryzen 3000 series) processor lineup could look like. This includes a vast selection of SKUs, their CPU and iGPU core configurations, clock-speeds, and OEM channel pricing. The list speaks of a reentry for 7th generation A-series "Excavator" as Duron X4 series, followed by Duron 300GE-series based on a highly cut down "Raven Ridge," Athlon 300GE 2-core/4-thread based on an implausible "Zen+ 12 nm" APU die, followed by quad-core Ryzen 3 3000 series processors with and without iGPUs, making up the company's entry-level product lineup.

The core counts seem to jump from 4-core straight to 8-core, with no 6-core in between, for the Ryzen 5 series. This is also where AMD's new IP, the 7 nm "Zen 2" architecture, begins. There appears to be a large APU die (or a 3-chip MCM) with an 8-core CPU and 20-CU iGPU, which makes up certain Ryzen 5 SKUs. These chips are either 8-core/8-thread or 8-core/16-thread. The Ryzen 7 series is made up of 12-core/24-thread processors that are devoid of iGPU. The new Ryzen 9 series extension caps off the lineup with 16-core/32-thread SKUs. And these are just socket AM4.
3rd generation Ryzen Threadripper processors will be client-segment derivatives of the EPYC "Rome" MCMs, which combine up to 64 cores across 8-core 7 nm CPU chiplets with an I/O die handling a monolithic 8-channel memory interface and PCIe. Threadripper SKUs begin at 24-core/48-thread, and go on to include 32-core/64-thread, 48-core/96-thread, and 64-core/128-thread, across X and WX SKUs.

The OEM-channel pricing for all these SKUs seem to linearly succeed the current product stack, with the addition of newer SKUs that have no predecessors taking up gaps in the price-points.

At this point, this picture is either a motherlode of information or some fanboy's wet-dream, and TechPowerUp takes no responsibility for its accuracy.

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81 Comments on AMD 3rd Generation Ryzen Probable SKUs, Specs, Pricing Leaked?

#51
ironwolf
AdoredTV has a video up comparing his info from his leaker/trusted source vs. this table.

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#52
efikkan
Darmok N JaladApple appears to have worked some magic on 7nm with the A12X. The performance seems to be really good, and that’s in a passively cooled enclosure. Granted, that SOC isn't aiming for 5.0ghz either. Still, it’s encouraging to see one large vendor having some success with 7nm already.
I'm talking about node performance, not chip performance.

TSMC's 7nm for low power/mobile chips is not the same high power node(hpc) AMD will use for CPUs, but it is of course related. 7nm will probably be good in the long term, but there might still be speed bumps ahead. Just AMD's recent delay of shipping Vega20 until late Q1 2019 is probably a sign of yield issues. Don't be too surprised if AMD announces sometime this spring that the transition to 7nm will be more gradual, or that they launch something and they can only ship very small volumes.
ironwolfAdoredTV has a video up comparing his info from his leaker/trusted source vs. this table.
He is always all over the place.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day…
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#53
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
cdawallOnly if they unlock are they the coolest things ever
Sure (if you mean moar cores), but a 2c/4t chip capable of overclocking at $34.99 would be only very cool. The cheapest Intel equivalent where I live is upwards of €60 now and most of those pentiums are prices dangeruosly close to the i3's.
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#54
HTC
efikkanHe is always all over the place.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day…
When was the 1st time you ever heard about chiplets? And sourced from where?

The dude 1st mentioned chiplets back in late June: that's way before anybody else, that i know of.

You dislike the guy and that's totally fine but just because you do doesn't mean he's wrong.

Not saying i agree with him myself, in this particular video: the pricing seems off because it would eat up Ryzen 2 sales a heck of allot and the clock speeds proposed seem a bit too much, IMO. As far as i know, and though the lower node does bring lower power requirements and more performance, i don't think AMD will get away with both @ the same time while ALSO having more cores, even with chiplets.
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#55
Metroid
Forget ryzen 2 sales, look at 1700x, where i live is $200, and the 2700x is $340. 1700x is $140 cheaper.
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#56
HTC
MetroidForget ryzen 2 sales, look at 1700x, where i live is $200, and the 2700x is $340. 1700x is $140 cheaper.
But there is some difference in performance VS the two.

The 2000 series has been launched way too recently for it to be cannibalized this soon, IMO. The 1000 series should already be "fading away", though.

You should count yourself "lucky" as, over here, the prices are a bit steeper, especially with the 1000 series:



230€ for the 1700X and 330€ for the 2700X. It should vary somewhat, depending on where you live (country).
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#57
B-Real
RecusIf AMD is faster they won't increase prices... $749-$2499 :laugh:
What's your problem?
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#58
Darmok N Jalad
efikkanTSMC's 7nm for low power/mobile chips is not the same high power node(hpc) AMD will use for CPUs, but it is of course related. 7nm will probably be good in the long term, but there might still be speed bumps ahead. Just AMD's recent delay of shipping Vega20 until late Q1 2019 is probably a sign of yield issues. Don't be too surprised if AMD announces sometime this spring that the transition to 7nm will be more gradual, or that they launch something and they can only ship very small volumes.
GPUs are so much bigger, so it’s hard to say with Vega 20. The Chiplet design of Ryzen 2 should help with yields by comparison, but yes, a new node or process is always an unknown. Intel and 10nm, but AMD going to SOI many years ago also comes to mind.
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#59
DeathtoGnomes
EarthDogLisa's burner account above. :p

So weird to use the third person when talking about yourself! Ha!
nnnaaaahhhhh cant be her, the grammar is ...
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#60
Supercrit
HTCBut there is some difference in performance VS the two.

The 2000 series has been launched way too recently for it to be cannibalized this soon, IMO. The 1000 series should already be "fading away", though.

You should count yourself "lucky" as, over here, the prices are a bit steeper, especially with the 1000 series:



230€ for the 1700X and 330€ for the 2700X. It should vary somewhat, depending on where you live (country).
On the same image, the 1700 non X price is only 170 euro, only slightly more than half of 2700x with the same amount of cores/threads, pretty sweet deal I say.
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#61
Metroid
SupercritOn the same image, the 1700 non X price is only 170 euro, only slightly more than half of 2700x with the same amount of cores/threads, pretty sweet deal I say.
I would buy that 1700, no contest, no better deal than that.
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#62
phill
I paid £150 for my Ryzen 1700X and then I bought two as I couldn't say no. Best deal ever :) Just waiting on the motherboards now :)
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#63
$ReaPeR$
imo amd doesnt need to achieve 5 gigs in order to totally beat intel in the gaming department, 4.8 gigs would do and that seems quite plausible with a revised arch and the 7nm process. still tho this leak should be taken with a truckload of salt just like any other.
btw amd has been on attack mode for the last 2 years so that should be taken into account also.
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#64
Recus
B-RealWhat's your problem?
You are butthurt for Titan RTX price but here is no problem, right? :kookoo::rolleyes:
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#65
medi01
RecusYou are butthurt for Titan RTX price but here is no problem, right? :kookoo::rolleyes:
Are you smoking something strong before posting here?
Neither your previous, nor this comment make any sense.
efikkanHe is always all over the place.
I'm only following for about a year and he has been spot on.
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#66
Gasaraki
MetroidIt's not fake, if you think is fake then it means that you were always so disappointed by Intel for milking in or amd for hyping in and then never delivered. You need to understand that Lisa Su means when she wants to and the way I see is that Lisa Su wants to change the hype and then the disappointment cases of many years. Believe in, this time AMD will make history.

Also, amd will deny anything at this point.
ROFL, I had a good laugh. This is great.
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#67
Turmania
i would have settled for 5ghz 8core/16 thread cpu. if they can manage to pull of 16 core/32 threads then it would be coupe de grace on Intel.
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#68
Gasaraki
SupercritOn the same image, the 1700 non X price is only 170 euro, only slightly more than half of 2700x with the same amount of cores/threads, pretty sweet deal I say.
MetroidI would buy that 1700, no contest, no better deal than that.
Yeah, for people who actually thinks core counts and threads relate to performance at all...
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#69
MT66
Darmok N JaladAnother variable is architectural changes that may allow the chip to run at a faster clock. It’s not all 7nm magic. Intel can make 5.0 ghz on 14nm+++. It seems like 2xxx Ryzen is architecturally limited to its current max clocks, not fabrication limited. Ryzen 3xxx is both a new process and a revised architecture.
I agree with you, Glofo manufactures 14nm IMB z14 10core processors and they clock to 5.2ghz, so some of the extra frequency could come from the architecture or the architecture may hold frequency lower somehow. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_z14_(microprocessor)
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#70
R-T-B
FrickAin't such a thing these days by the old fashioned definition of "reputable".
I wish I could tell you you were wrong.
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#72
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
I really hope this is true. Because I bought my 2600 rig just as a place holder. My FX8350 system, which is my home server, was starting to become unreliable. The system was failing to boot sometimes, just completely turning off during POST before Windows started loading. I wasn't sure if it was the PSU or the motherboard, so I just replaced the whole system. But I went with the 2600 just until the 3rd generation came out, but I need more cores!!!
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#73
Metroid
RecusYou are butthurt for Titan RTX price but here is no problem, right? :kookoo::rolleyes:
AMD will deal with intel now with the 7nm and nvidia will be next, launching an overpriced product just because the competition does not have anything to counter, rtx 2xxx series are a failure because of the price. If it was 50% cheaper for the same performance like nvidia did with the 8800 gt few years ago then i would be here applauding nvidia. This time was the oposite, charging twice more money for the same performance than the last generation is a fail.
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#75
efikkan
Shocking! :rolleyes:

A lot of us can make pretty qualified guesses which probably will come close to the end result, but still be purely speculation, that doesn't make it a leak.

I would remind people that AMD, Intel and Nvidia themselves don't know the final specs until they have a decent volume of the final stepping, which is usually ~2-3 months ahead of release. Try to keep this in mind whenever people spread rumors about future products. I do believe e.g. the next Threadrippers are far away, it's unlikely that AMD know the specific clocks right now.
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