Tuesday, August 13th 2019

110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec", AMD on RX 5700-Series Thermals

AMD this Monday in a blog post demystified the boosting algorithm and thermal management of its new Radeon RX 5700 series "Navi" graphics cards. These cards are beginning to be available in custom-designs by AMD's board partners, but were only available as reference-design cards for over a month since their 7th July launch. The thermal management of these cards spooked many early adopters accustomed to seeing temperatures below 85 °C on competing NVIDIA graphics cards, with the Radeon RX 5700 XT posting GPU "hotspot" temperatures well above 100 °C, regularly hitting 110 °C, and sometimes even touching 113 °C with stress-testing application such as Furmark. In its blog post, AMD stated that 110 °C hotspot temperatures under "typical gaming usage" are "expected and within spec."

AMD also elaborated on what constitutes "GPU Hotspot" aka "junction temperature." Apparently, the "Navi 10" GPU is peppered with an array of temperature sensors spread across the die at different physical locations. The maximum temperature reported by any of those sensors becomes the Hotspot. In that sense, Hotspot isn't a fixed location in the GPU. Legacy "GPU temperature" measurements on past generations of AMD GPUs relied on a thermal diode at a fixed location on the GPU die which AMD predicted would become the hottest under load. Over the generations, and starting with "Polaris" and "Vega," AMD leaned toward an approach of picking the hottest temperature value from a network of diodes spread across the GPU, and reporting it as the Hotspot.
On Hotspot, AMD writes: "Paired with this array of sensors is the ability to identify the 'hotspot' across the GPU die. Instead of setting a conservative, 'worst case' throttling temperature for the entire die, the Radeon RX 5700 series GPUs will continue to opportunistically and aggressively ramp clocks until any one of the many available sensors hits the 'hotspot' or 'Junction' temperature of 110 degrees Celsius. Operating at up to 110C Junction Temperature during typical gaming usage is expected and within spec. This enables the Radeon RX 5700 series GPUs to offer much higher performance and clocks out of the box, while maintaining acoustic and reliability targets."

AMD also commented on the significantly increased granularity of clock-speeds that improves the GPU's power-management. The company transisioned from fixed DPM states to a highly fine-grained clock-speed management system that takes into account load, temperatures, and power to push out the highest possible clock-speeds for each component. "Starting with the AMD Radeon VII, and further optimized and refined with the Radeon RX 5700 series GPUs, AMD has implemented a much more granular 'fine grain DPM' mechanism vs. the fixed, discrete DPM states on previous Radeon RX GPUs. Instead of the small number of fixed DPM states, the Radeon RX 5700 series GPU have hundreds of Vf 'states' between the bookends of the idle clock and the theoretical 'Fmax' frequency defined for each GPU SKU. This more granular and responsive approach to managing GPU Vf states is further paired with a more sophisticated Adaptive Voltage Frequency Scaling (AVFS) architecture on the Radeon RX 5700 series GPUs," the blog post reads.
Source: AMD
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159 Comments on 110°C Hotspot Temps "Expected and Within Spec", AMD on RX 5700-Series Thermals

#151
R33mba
R-T-BThat was memory temp, not even die...
So by having bug in my head by Steve from GN yt channel, about my xfx temps, I decided to do what he did, remove plastic parts that doesnt do anything,and I repasted my gpu/cpu.. After that I run 2h of stress test in furmark and my hotspot mem temp was 98c.. Other temps of gpu remained under 90c.. I dont know what I did manage to fck up, but again I have never have left furmark test so long.. I was planning to sell my gpu, but I dont have any real problems with it,except that heat bug in my head.
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#152
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
R33mbaSo by having bug in my head by Steve from GN yt channel, about my xfx temps, I decided to do what he did, remove plastic parts that doesnt do anything,and I repasted my gpu/cpu.. After that I run 2h of stress test in furmark and my hotspot mem temp was 98c.. Other temps of gpu remained under 90c.. I dont know what I did manage to fck up, but again I have never have left furmark test so long.. I was planning to sell my gpu, but I dont have any real problems with it,except that heat bug in my head.
Stop running furmark/kombustor abusing hardware doesnt help you.

Run 3DMARk, Unigen Valley/Heaven and Games.
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#153
R33mba
eidairaman1Stop running furmark/kombustor abusing hardware doesnt help you.

Run 3DMARk, Unigen Valley/Heaven and Games.
I Will thank you for advice.
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#155
KatanQ
cucker tarlsonrubbing eyes

so how many ppl are still running 7970s/r9 2xx cards around here,which are 6-8 years old.
Up until recently I was rolling with the R9 270X, which was used by my roommate until I got it and now is being fully utilized in a Hackintosh. I don't know what you guys are doing to your cards or if I've just got really lucky or you unlucky, but I have yet to have an AMD card fail on me even with OC nearly every one I've had.
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#156
cucker tarlson
KatanQUp until recently I was rolling with the R9 270X, which was used by my roommate until I got it and now is being fully utilized in a Hackintosh. I don't know what you guys are doing to your cards or if I've just got really lucky or you unlucky, but I have yet to have an AMD card fail on me even with OC nearly every one I've had.
not about failing,I ditched my 7870GHz in 2014 cause it was too slow for 1080p.
R33mbaIs this normal?
what ?
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#157
R33mba
cucker tarlsonnot about failing,I ditched my 7870GHz in 2014 cause it was too slow for 1080p.


what ?
temps..

My hw info is showing me that my hotspot temp is 115c
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#158
HeavyHemi
Just for giggles I'd thought I'd report my 980Ti is still being used daily by my Nephew along with the 980x at 4.3ghz system I built. He leaves it on pretty much 24/7. My 1080 Ti is still running perfect OC 2050 @ 1.043v on a Gen2 EVGA Hybrid cooler on my current X99 6850k running at 4.5ghz. Folks meatshielding poor quality by claiming 'nobody uses 'X' beyond a certain amount of time are dullards. I've audiophile grade gear I collected overseas in the 80's that is still in use daily and in pristine condition. My daily driver, Ranger 4x4 I bought new in '88. You guessed it, still drive it daily and still looks like new.
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#159
R33mba
Thank God for mining booming againn, I sold my rx5700 for more money that I payed her, and bought rx6800..
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