Wednesday, August 14th 2019

AMD "Sharkstooth" Shows Up on Geekbench: Possible Zen 2 Threadripper

AMD is possibly testing its 3rd generation Ryzen Threadripper HEDT processors, with an interesting entry showing up on the Geekbench online database. The entry speaks of an "AMD Sharkstooth" processor with 32 cores and 64 threads, with a nominal clock speed of 3.60 GHz, and the long-form model number "AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 49 Stepping 0." None of the 2nd generation EPYC processors correspond with these specs, and so we're almost certain this is a client-segment Ryzen Threadripper part.

The prototyping platform, which is a motherboard designed in-house by AMD to test the processor's various components and I/O capabilities, is codenamed "WhiteHavenOC-CP." In this Geekbench submission, the processor is paired with around 128 GB of memory, and tested on 64-bit Linux. The platform yields a multi-threaded score of 94,772 points, which is about 18.5 percent higher than what a Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX typically manages when tested on Linux. It is also within 5% of what the Xeon W-3175X manages (around 99,000 points). The production model could be clocked higher. AMD will also use the opportunity to launch a new motherboard chipset while maintaining backwards-compatibility with the AMD X399. This new chipset will enable PCI-Express gen 4.0 and come with stiffer CPU VRM and memory/PCIe wiring specifications to enable higher memory clocks and PCIe link stability. AMD is expected to launch its 3rd gen Ryzen Threadripper this October, to preempt Intel's next HEDT processor series.
Source: momomo_us (Twitter)
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41 Comments on AMD "Sharkstooth" Shows Up on Geekbench: Possible Zen 2 Threadripper

#26
kapone32
OGocI can't tell if that's a question or a rebuttal. Are you questioning how business models work at the billion $+ corporate level?

The 1920 performs on par "ish" with the 3700x. With a more expensive mobo and 4 sticks of RAM. Price/performance parity.
Yes it is a rebuttal but a gentle one.

The 3700X is $449.99 in Canada so the 1920X is $100 cheaper. You can find TR4 boards for less than the expensive X570 boards. Neither do you absolutely need 4 sticks of RAM. TR4 runs fine with 2 sticks. As of right now if you go first gen TR4, it is actually the same as going high end X570.


www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813145109?Description=X399&cm_re=X399-_-13-145-109-_-Product

www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813145157?Description=X570&cm_re=X570-_-13-145-157-_-Product

There is a $5 difference between these boards but which gives you more?
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#27
Aldain
Space Sherriff GavanNo, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.
This is the dumbest thing I have read on this site.. kudos
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#28
xorbe
AldainThis is the dumbest thing I have read on this site.. kudos
Agreed, first time I've clicked the ignore button within a new member's first 3 posts. (woo, 2K posts for me!)
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#29
Vya Domus
AldainThis is the dumbest thing I have read on this site.. kudos
Just trolls, they come and go. Though I have a feeling they aren't trolls as in plural, the staff should check their IPs.
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#30
dyonoctis
Space Sherriff GavanNo, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.
I'm impressed by the effort required to write so much nonsense.
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#31
dicktracy
HTCWhat was the cooler used for that? I suspect it's of the exotic kind ...

Supposedly, Zen 2 TR will be using air or AIO water.

We shall see ...
TR Zen 2 with air cooler? Have you not seen 3900x temps at just stock with highend air/AIO cooler? I'll pass on Zen 2-based TR until 7nm+ gets here.
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#32
HTC
dicktracyTR Zen 2 with air cooler? Have you not seen 3900x temps at just stock with highend air/AIO cooler? I'll pass on Zen 2-based TR until 7nm+ gets here.
I've seen the 2990WX with air coolers so it's not a big stretch to think of whatever the highest TR Zen 2 CPU using it too.

Besides, i said nothing about overclocking ...
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#33
bpgt64
Space Sherriff GavanNo, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.
I think I just blacked out reading this. I love all the talk about what business's make decisions on. Anything going into a data center cares about arguably 2, maybe 3 things.

My two cents;

1. Performance per KwH
2. Performance per U
And to a lesser degree
3. Inter-Connect/Expand-ability -- Higher bandwidth inter-connects between systems, which is almost a given these days.

Sincerely,

Grandpa Cocaine Bear
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#34
Valantar
Space Sherriff GavanNo, I'm only telling you what Core was better.

32 core part with inferior design lack of new keys performance features within 28 core part better design and proven the future way different.

If you look into Zen 2 Microarchitect in-depth AMD borrowings Intel
Skylake designed since 2013 such as changing their L1 data cache
same as Skylake rather than old Zen and Zen + configuration.
increase many inferior features to match only Skylake SKUs.
( Please see AMD Zen 2 Slide for more details )

However the Skylake engine on those Zen 2 Microarchitect upon
way inferior to Skylake X SKU which design on 2014 which many
keys enhancement over Skylake S for big data.

Core to Core , Skylake X was better than Zen 2 a lot.
The Skylake X Core featured 2 512-bit FMA Unit per core with capable
32 Flops/cycle compared to Zen 2 it was only 2 256-bit FPU with capable only 16Flops/cycle same as Skylake S SKUs (since 2013).

Choosing the right one CPU for your budget was depending on yours.
For me it looks like AMD borrowing Intel Skylake S license and built their
customized version on 7nm+ add some kind of candy ( PCIe 4.0 )and some
Spicy sources ( double L3 cache ) then re selling Intel Skylake S AMD Edition
again.
Just reposted this in another thread, might as well put it here too:
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#37
JB_Gamer
kapone32I am so glad that I moved from AM4 to TR4. I am in no way saying the AM4 is bad. The fact that we are going to see new TR4 chips combined with the release and reviews of AMD's latest Epyc chips can only be good for Threadripper owners. Imagine running TR4 at 3800 MHZ on 32GB or 64GB of quad channel!? Even those that mainly game should be over the moon with the performance uplift provided, but the Motherboards are where Threadripper shines for me. All of the I/O goodness and the sheer number of expansion options is great. With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards, PCI_E 4.0 (I know but it is still nice to be bleeding edge) and I can imagine at least 64 PCI_E 4.0 but up to 128 PCI-E_3.0 equivelant lanes, probably 2.5Gbit or 10Gbit network cards and even Expansion cards (Can you imagine the Sequential on 4 PCI_E 4.0 drives in RAID 0). This is truly the best time to be into computing; so many options and really none of them are bad. CPUs from Intel and AMD all have their use cases but the sheer number of platforms is wonderful and sometimes daunting.
You said "With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards", which boards??
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#38
kapone32
JB_GamerYou said "With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards", which boards??
The top end from As Rock and I also believe one MATX board as well. There were so many boards on release I can't remember the exact one. It might be the Extreme 4.
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#39
Valantar
kapone32The top end from As Rock and I also believe one MATX board as well. There were so many boards on release I can't remember the exact one. It might be the Extreme 4.
Also ASrock's ITX board.
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#40
B-Real
davideneco94000 32/64 at 4.3ghz for the TH zen 2
95000 28/56 at 4.7ghz for 3175x
3175x is $3050 on Newegg. This 32 core beast will be around half the price, maybe $2000. Just saying lol.
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#41
Valantar
B-Real3175x is $3050 on Newegg. This 32 core beast will be around half the price, maybe $2000. Just saying lol.
Also, the only motherboard for the 3175X is $1500. And a server form factor. And not actually available.
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