Monday, August 26th 2019
AMD Ryzen 5 3500 to Lack SMT, Takes on Core i5-9400
As AMD's Ryzen 5 3500 processor is inching closer to launch, we learn more possible specifications of the chip AMD is designing to take on Intel's popular Core i5-9400/9400F processor. Late July, we learned that the chip will be a 6-core model, breaking away from convention set by past generations, of the x500 Ryzen SKU being 4-core/8-thread. Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK, who has a fairly high hit-rate on unreleased products, predicts that the 3500 will be six-core, but lack SMT (it will be 6-core/6-thread).
The Ryzen 5 3500 will be clocked at 3.60 GHz nominal, with a boost frequency of 4.10 GHz. There's no word on other specs, such as L3 cache amount. A single "Zen 2" chiplet normally has 32 MB of it (16 MB per CCX). The main competitor from the Intel stable is the Core i5-9400 / i5-9400F, which ticks at 2.90 GHz with 4.10 GHz boost. The i5-9400F in particular has had a big impact in the sub-$200 segment, as it's been aggressively priced under promotions by various DIY retailers. The chip lacks an iGPU, but has the specs to pull a fairly powerful gaming PC. With the Ryzen 5 3600 at $199, AMD could price the new chip around $169-179.
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TUM_APISAK
The Ryzen 5 3500 will be clocked at 3.60 GHz nominal, with a boost frequency of 4.10 GHz. There's no word on other specs, such as L3 cache amount. A single "Zen 2" chiplet normally has 32 MB of it (16 MB per CCX). The main competitor from the Intel stable is the Core i5-9400 / i5-9400F, which ticks at 2.90 GHz with 4.10 GHz boost. The i5-9400F in particular has had a big impact in the sub-$200 segment, as it's been aggressively priced under promotions by various DIY retailers. The chip lacks an iGPU, but has the specs to pull a fairly powerful gaming PC. With the Ryzen 5 3600 at $199, AMD could price the new chip around $169-179.
85 Comments on AMD Ryzen 5 3500 to Lack SMT, Takes on Core i5-9400
And its not easy to come around that chip with a Ryzen 3600 and i think a pricetag higher than 150,- for a 6C/6T Ryzen is too high.
Basically you lose about 40% relative performance by losing HT, but you gain 50% performance from 2 extra cores and another 10-15% on top of that from IPC. Also don't forget about tasty bonuses like higher base/boost and double L3. Perfect gaming CPU.
If AMD decides to price it lower than 9400F (e.g. in a ballpark of $120-140), then it's a no-brainer.
Like the number of PCIe lanes, or backward compatibility, or the fact of less security issues?
Aren't those worth a few $₤€?
Or go the used market and buy 2700x.
As for the "real devil" intel is doing "another" socket just to get 10 cores while amd is about to stick 16 cores on the same socket they've been using. So intel hands down my friend.
What does a CPU has to do with the programmers at RTG / former ATi?
Those are completely different things and RTG is in a separate office in Canada instead of the US.
If the price is fine, Intel is going to have an another emergency.
Now, if its missing l3 cache, or something similar, then perhaps not. But I hope it keeps 32MB of cache. Would be a day 1 purchase for me.Why? You have 2 6 cores with SMT. Some of us just turn off SMT by default, so why pay for something you dont use?
thread per thread, the 9xxx coffees are generally faster than zen 2 due to higher clocks and lower latency. So if your whole competitive advantage is threads... then why would you want to offer a thread limited product? in a space where $10-$15 in either direction and you have competitors that are either faster per thread (9400kf) or just much better at multitasking (r 7 2700)
On the surface i don't really get it - they know what they're doing obv, but i dont understand it.
9400f is the 6-core die - 149mm^2 at 14nm.
3500 is same Matisse - 75mm^2 CCD die plus 124mm^2 14/16nm IO die.
^ 9400f is already selling @ $149 so ...
they're gonna have to sell at or most likely below that.
Zen also needs good ram to perform well, in the budget cpu/oem space ram is usually cheap and not so great; which is no big deal for a 9400f system.
Yeah right, and I'm going to be the next president of USA..
But for us consumers, it's good to have competition, that makes them drop prices..