Monday, August 26th 2019
AMD Ryzen 5 3500 to Lack SMT, Takes on Core i5-9400
As AMD's Ryzen 5 3500 processor is inching closer to launch, we learn more possible specifications of the chip AMD is designing to take on Intel's popular Core i5-9400/9400F processor. Late July, we learned that the chip will be a 6-core model, breaking away from convention set by past generations, of the x500 Ryzen SKU being 4-core/8-thread. Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK, who has a fairly high hit-rate on unreleased products, predicts that the 3500 will be six-core, but lack SMT (it will be 6-core/6-thread).
The Ryzen 5 3500 will be clocked at 3.60 GHz nominal, with a boost frequency of 4.10 GHz. There's no word on other specs, such as L3 cache amount. A single "Zen 2" chiplet normally has 32 MB of it (16 MB per CCX). The main competitor from the Intel stable is the Core i5-9400 / i5-9400F, which ticks at 2.90 GHz with 4.10 GHz boost. The i5-9400F in particular has had a big impact in the sub-$200 segment, as it's been aggressively priced under promotions by various DIY retailers. The chip lacks an iGPU, but has the specs to pull a fairly powerful gaming PC. With the Ryzen 5 3600 at $199, AMD could price the new chip around $169-179.
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TUM_APISAK
The Ryzen 5 3500 will be clocked at 3.60 GHz nominal, with a boost frequency of 4.10 GHz. There's no word on other specs, such as L3 cache amount. A single "Zen 2" chiplet normally has 32 MB of it (16 MB per CCX). The main competitor from the Intel stable is the Core i5-9400 / i5-9400F, which ticks at 2.90 GHz with 4.10 GHz boost. The i5-9400F in particular has had a big impact in the sub-$200 segment, as it's been aggressively priced under promotions by various DIY retailers. The chip lacks an iGPU, but has the specs to pull a fairly powerful gaming PC. With the Ryzen 5 3600 at $199, AMD could price the new chip around $169-179.
85 Comments on AMD Ryzen 5 3500 to Lack SMT, Takes on Core i5-9400
Come on AMD, going Intel BS route?
Many users dont need ht, 6 cores with good price
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PS: Just cheked Microcenter in-store pick-up prices:
Wish we would get a Zen2/Navi APU instead, but that's probably going to wait until early 2020
Anything above, around 170-180$, would make it dead on arrival since it would be too close in price to r5 3600 and around the price of r7 2700 which are both way better choices.
how cheap would it have to be? and what role would it have if 2600 is there already?
The 9400F is around 150€ in most stores. Unless AMD drop about 60€ on 3600 (which I don't see them doing, because it's a recently released CPU), they would end up with a big gap and give the sub 200€ market to Intel.
This CPU cannot cost more than $139.99 on launch day...$120 if they want it to really sell
There's no guarantee that this will even be a retail chip. It could be only OEM like the 2500X.
their whole selling point is you get more cores and more power than intel at the same/lower price.
but if the i9400f is already at 199, and the 9 series still slaps ryzen around on ST and games... i don't know how many ppl are going to be willing to give up that gaming performance to save $20.
that sub $200 space is crowded... + the 2600/x + the old 1700's that are being sold off. There's no room for the 3500 to be compelling.
the 2700 (non x) which is the same chip as the 2700x is $185....
www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B41717Z/ref=asc_df_B07B41717Z/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312727440900&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1855125446313986745&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028275&hvtargid=pla-440593883679&psc=1
this chip has to be $120-130 max.
$140 - maybe.
Or they could sell it in very limited quantity at basically any low price they want - just to dominate reviews in another segment. It'll help the general image.By all means, no. It's not that simple.
Sure, they've already paid for the die and the initial tests, but it's a long way to actually selling a CPU.
They have to make the final product: add the IHS, solder, glue etc. In the meantime they'll do few more rounds of costly quality control. Retail items also require coolers and boxes.
On top of all that there's also shipping and marketing.
And that's not all. Because adding a product at the bottom of lineup will hit the sales of the next one ($200), which costs exactly the same to make, but has a much higher margin.
If they decided to launch the 3500, there's clearly some money to be made. But the "all chips" statement is an oversimplification.
They've done the calculations and maybe they'll try to sell 28.3% of bad dies. We'll never know. ;-)
From what I understand Microcenter has or is going to start a store on the Amazon Market place to strictly sell Clearance items such as the R5-1600..
From what I gather they won't be offering the combo prices and you won't get the In Store price.
If I understand it right if the in store price of something is say $80 you can expect to pay $90 which is still probably 10-15% less than Newegg.
I wish I had more details but I can't even remember who told be this so...