Friday, September 20th 2019

AMD Ryzen 5 3500X CPU Listed

Sep 20th, 2019 09:57 Discuss (57 Comments)

AMD will soon launch its budget CPU offerings from Ryzen 3000 series of CPUs to continue the tradition of covering all market segments. Today, Ryzen 5 3500X CPU has appeared in listing at Chinese retailer called JD which showed off CPU's pricing information and specifications. Coming in with a price tag of 1099 yuan (around $155), newly listed Ryzen 5 3500X is supposed to be a higher clocked variant of unannounced Ryzen 5 3500 CPU.

Featuring six cores and six threads, this CPU seems to have similar specs as Ryzen 5 3600 with the only difference being the disabled SMT support and slightly lower boost speeds. It has a 3.6 GHz base and 4.1 GHz boost frequency, all while having TDP of 65 Watts. Amount of L3 cache stays the same as its bigger, SMT enabled, variant which features 32 MB of GameCache. Additionally, JD also included some graphs where Ryzen 5 3500X was compared to Intel's i5-9400F CPU at various games, using NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1660 graphics card. Bellow are the benchmarks comparing the two CPU offerings:

Source: JD

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57 Comments on AMD Ryzen 5 3500X CPU Listed

#26

notb

TheinsanegamerNSMT is very situational, most software doesnt benefit from it.

This isn't true at all and you have no idea how SMT and HT work.

You're just amazing. You'll create a theory and argument to defend every move AMD makes. They could smear product boxes with dogshit and you'd say it stops them from sliding when stacked.

Of course there are types of load for which SMT adds nothing or even decreases performance. But on average, in general computing, it adds a lot (often more than HT).

#27

HD64G

A great CPU for budget gamers that use GPUs priced for much less than $500. That's what it will be. Why some people make things complicated when they aren't?

#28

kings

HD64GA great CPU for budget gamers that use GPUs priced for much less than $500. That's what it will be. Why some people make things complicated when they aren't?

I understand what you mean, but considering that a lot of people have criticized the non-HT CPUs from Intel, it's odd that they're now "defending" an AMD CPU without SMT.

#29

GoldenX

Only point I've heard about Intel's HT is their removal from the i7 line. No one criticized the i5s in the past.
That and their structural insecurity.

#30

Might not be the greatest CPU but for ~150€, why not? Same price point as the 9400F, fill the 50€ gap between 3400G and the 3600 and Zen+ also needs to EOL at some point.

#31

Tatty_Two

Gone Fishing

The first thing that confused me in the OP was the reference to 6 cores, 6 threads, as opposed to the descriptor for the 3600 which reads 6 cores, 12 threads, so is this a cut down R5 3600(X) with half the threads and lower clocks?

#32

Zubasa

Tatty_OneThe first thing that confused me in the OP was the reference to 6 cores, 6 threads, as opposed to the descriptor for the 3600 which reads 6 cores, 12 threads, so is this a cut down R5 3600(X) with half the threads and lower clocks?

The clock are not much lower.
3500X has a max boost of 4.1Ghz and the 3600 has 4.2Ghz, meanwhile the 3600X has a max boost of 4.4Ghz.
So in the end it is around 7% lower max boost than 3600X.
This is a direct competitor to the lower end i5s.

#33

biffzinker

Ryzen 5 3600 with SMT On vs Off (Stock clocks +100 MHz over the rumored 3500X.)

Geekbench 5
SMT On

SMT Off

Borderlands 3 1920x1080, Badass with Volumetric Fog: Medium, FPSLimit: Unlimited
SMT On
- FramesPerSecondAvg: 77.66
- FrameTimeMsAvg: 12.88

- FramesPerSecondAvg: 77.41
- FrameTimeMsAvg: 12.92

SMT Off
- FramesPerSecondAvg: 78.05
- FrameTimeMsAvg: 12.81

- FramesPerSecondAvg: 78.10
- FrameTimeMsAvg: 12.80

With SMT on there was less sudden drops in frame rate in three areas of the benchmark. With SMT off though the CPU's ms response time stayed lower watching three runs of each.

#34

Lionheart

DarkswordThe 2600 can be had for $129.99. The 2600X can be had for $159.99.

Why would anyone buy a 3500X?

Well ummm it's called better IPC, memory support, latency usually equals better gaming performance & also the 2000 series aren't going to be around forever.

#35

notb

LionheartWell ummm it's called better IPC,

Seriously, out of 2 CPUs that perform the same, you'd buy the "IPC winner"? What's the point?
Why is the IPC fallacy so strong on this forum?

also the 2000 series aren't going to be around forever.

LOL. Forced replacement. It's a very similar product, but lets promote the new one.
When every other company does that, AMD fanboys go berserk.

#36

HD64G

notbSeriously, out of 2 CPUs that perform the same, you'd buy the "IPC winner"? What's the point?
Why is the IPC fallacy so strong on this forum?

LOL. Forced replacement. It's a very similar product, but lets promote the new one.
When every other company does that, AMD fanboys go berserk.

2600X and 3500X are 2 so different products in cache, memory support, SMT and power consumption that your post makes you seem noob in cpu tech. Bashing AMD constantly for irrelevant reasons makes you seem a hater. Promoting the new gen of products while the older one is phasing out of production is the only practice any company in the world could and should apply. So, what is truly making you post things like those? :confused:

#37

1d10t

kingsThe 9400F sells for 140€ in most european stores, this 3500 has to be around these values.
The problem is, price by price and cores by cores, most of the people end up choosing Intel. One of the advantages of Ryzen is precisely that they have more cores/threads for the same or lower cost!

Why choosing soon-to-be dead platform? :rolleyes:

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As I said many times earlier, this will be lowest end Ryzen 2nd gen chips, no Ryzen 3 for 3000 series.AMD, as any company would do, will scavenge any left over and sell it :D

#38

notb

1d10tWhy choosing soon-to-be dead platform? :rolleyes:

9th gen is likely the last for LGA1151. True.
But Ryzen 3000 may as well be the last generation on AM4. Or the "Zen2+" upgrade be so insignificant that no one will bother.

The argument about socket AM4 longevity looked fine in 2017 and maybe even has some sense when Ryzen 2000 launched.
But today?

As I said many times earlier, this will be lowest end Ryzen 2nd gen chips, no Ryzen 3 for 3000 series.AMD, as any company would do, will scavenge any left over and sell it :D

AMD unified the lineup. APUs are a part of Ryzen family. Ryzen 3 3000 already exists:
www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-3200g

#39

lewis007

It'll do fine. AMD has great mind share now, so unless Intel drops their prices even further I can see AMD bringing more heat to the fight.

#40

1d10t

notb9th gen is likely the last for LGA1151. True.
But Ryzen 3000 may as well be the last generation on AM4. Or the "Zen2+" upgrade be so insignificant that no one will bother.

The argument about socket AM4 longevity looked fine in 2017 and maybe even has some sense when Ryzen 2000 launched.
But today?

From my understanding , if AMD honest about their roadmap, I don't see a socket change until Zen 4 or as early as 2022. No sign about Zen 3 gonna utilizing DDR5, so I'm convince that'll stretch longer than LGA 1151 or even LGA 1200 ( since Intel doesn't implement Sunny Cove uArch or PCIe Gen 4 yet) :p

notbAMD unified the lineup. APUs are a part of Ryzen family. Ryzen 3 3000 already exists:
www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-3200g

A bit miss there, I mean no quad core iGPU-less Ryzen 3 1000-ish.
Wow, I'm typing in Klingon.
Lowest part CPU will be 6 core no SMT and anything lower than that goes to APU :D

#41

notb

1d10tFrom my understanding , if AMD honest about their roadmap, I don't see a socket change until Zen 4 or as early as 2022. No sign about Zen 3 gonna utilizing DDR5, so I'm convince that'll stretch longer than LGA 1151 or even LGA 1200 ( since Intel doesn't implement Sunny Cove uArch or PCIe Gen 4 yet) :p

Why do you assume AM4 will be their main socket for so long? Initially they said it'll remain until 2020. Where do the extra 2 years come from? :-)

I don't understand the Sunny Cove part. Intel already uses it in mobile CPUs (10th gen). I'll come to desktops afterwards.
There's a good chance PCIe 4 will be skipped or will arrive on Tiger Lake's successor or later (2021+).

A bit miss there, I mean no quad core iGPU-less Ryzen 3 1000-ish.
Wow, I'm typing in Klingon.
Lowest part CPU will be 6 core no SMT and anything lower than that goes to APU :D

Why not use the correct naming?
I know AMD fan base is very used to the CPU-APU differentiation. Historically these were 2 separate product lines.
AMD no longer does this. Ryzen is a unified lineup. Some processors are just "Ryzen" and some are "Ryzen with graphics".
"APU" acronym was scrapped. They're no longer using it.

#42

juiseman

6 cores/6 threads will do better than 4 cores 8 threads at most things other than rendering or well optimized programs.
Plus, as the bench proves, single core performance will be
a tad better. It should give it more OC headroom without the SMT also.
I say if this thing is priced low, it will be the new budget gaming CPU to get.

That's my take on it...

#43

Lionheart

notbSeriously, out of 2 CPUs that perform the same, you'd buy the "IPC winner"? What's the point?
Why is the IPC fallacy so strong on this forum?

LOL. Forced replacement. It's a very similar product, but lets promote the new one.
When every other company does that, AMD fanboys go berserk.

This shit made no sense while playing the fanboy labels......

Sigh... what happened to you TPU.

#44

1d10t

notbWhy do you assume AM4 will be their main socket for so long? Initially they said it'll remain until 2020. Where do the extra 2 years come from? :)

"AMD said AM4 will remain until 2020", that Zen 3 for you. And later, there is Zen 4 scheduling for 2022 window. I'm terribly sorry, I'm bad at explaining simple graph :(

#45

notb

1d10t"AMD said AM4 will remain until 2020", that Zen 3 for you. And later, there is Zen 4 scheduling for 2022 window. I'm terribly sorry, I'm bad at explaining simple graph :(

2020 is the year when Zen3 comes out, but it's also a year during first half of which Ryzen 3000 will remain their most modern product line.
For me it's been always obvious that "until 2020" means that in 2020 they'll launch a new socket. It also makes way more sense linguistically.

AMD doesn't give an explicit socket roadmap, so it's really down to interpretation of a pieces of marketing texts or badly made slides.
Frankly, that's one of the reasons why I try to stay away from this company (both as a consumer and investor)...

Anyway, next year we'll see who was right. ;-)

#46

HD64G

AM4 released on 2017 with 4-8core CPUs when Intel had at best 4core ones and in 2019 it already works with 16 core monters (upcoming 3950X) when Intel has only 8 cores and will release a 10-core heater of a CPU (200W power consumption). So, AM4 is already the proven champion in CPU upgradeablility path, and with X570 having PCI-E 4.0 it is already more modern than anything Intel is or will be offering anytime soon. Additionally, when the Zen2 APUs come out it will be even better in value with its iGPU's performance much higher than ever seen before. So, irrelevantly of Zen3 working or not with it, it has already paid off for anyone trusting that platform's future even 2 years ago. And imho, Zen3 will surely work on AM4 as the number 4 means the DDR gen. AM5 will be released for DDR5 and that won't be next year from all the info available online till now.

#47

1d10t

notb2020 is the year when Zen3 comes out, but it's also a year during first half of which Ryzen 3000 will remain their most modern product line.
For me it's been always obvious that "until 2020" means that in 2020 they'll launch a new socket. It also makes way more sense linguistically.

AMD doesn't give an explicit socket roadmap, so it's really down to interpretation of a pieces of marketing texts or badly made slides.
Frankly, that's one of the reasons why I try to stay away from this company (both as a consumer and investor)...

Anyway, next year we'll see who was right. ;-)

If they brings DDR5 or PCIe Gen 5 to Zen 3, I highly doubt anyone complaint about that, as people are getting used to tick-tock tick-tock ponzi scheme :D
In EPYC launch event, AMD stated that future EPYC Milan based on Zen 3 will be socket compatible with existing Zen 2 socket. Oh, and don't forget about TSMC having trouble with 7nm, that will add longevity :D
Yeah, AMD made a vague slides, they should learn from other company :rolleyes:

#48

illli

killster1because intel works and doenst have all these issues like amd, you must have your eyes shut to all the people with loads of constant issues, the 9900k is not expensive at all being 420ish and the boot times for intel are also better.
If the 3500x was 150 with a decent cooler maybe id risk getting it, i havnt had issues with 3600/x470 asrock tachi ultimate but who knows as i dont use it very much, my workstation is a 9900k and never has issues except being a power hog.

Intel security exploits say hello

#49

biffzinker

The Core i5-9600K is only going to come out ahead of the Ryzen 5 3500X for single and multithread at 3-4%

#50

notb

1d10tIf they brings DDR5 or PCIe Gen 5 to Zen 3, I highly doubt anyone complaint about that

DDR5 will be launched by Intel and AMD at roughly the same time.
Intel already said DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 are coming in 2021.

In EPYC launch event, AMD stated that future EPYC Milan based on Zen 3 will be socket compatible with existing Zen 2 socket.

In case you missed it: consumer and server CPUs from AMD use different sockets. This has absolutely no implication on AM4.

Yeah, AMD made a vague slides, they should learn from other company :rolleyes:

I'm not sure what's wrong with this slide. Intel's presentations are usually very solid. That's what you're expected to make for a business meeting.
AMD slides that we know about are not internal/corporate, but made for gaming consumers. They are very general and leave a lot for fanboys to interpret and hype about. :-)
For example: you've looked at the "compute architecture roadmap" slide and you said "2020 that's Zen3". But this information isn't there, right?

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