The controller is what puts PS in a different and better league than Xbox. PS5 and GT7 will be how I "waste" my time in the future. Hooked up to an LG OLED (not transparent).

TardianThe controller is what puts PS in a different and better league than Xbox. PS5 and GT7 will be how I "waste" my time in the future. Hooked up to an LG OLED (not transparent).

I think its personal preference, no? You either have midget hands (PS5) or you don't (Xbox) and you pick the one that doesn't hurt.

I played with both but while I loved the PS controllers since DS2, I can hardly use them now. Hands are just a tad too big, its not the 'second nature' grip I used to get from it.

From a quality perspective I think they're pretty much on par.

TardianThe controller is what puts PS in a different and better league than Xbox. PS5 and GT7 will be how I "waste" my time in the future. Hooked up to an LG OLED (not transparent).

yeaaaah... no. Xbox's controller has been proven to be the best and most comfortable for the vast majority of hand sizes (it was designed in a way that the most common hand sizes, so the majority of people, fit it perfectly), as well as having hotswappable batteries and a standard joystick layout. Unless you grew up with PlayStation, or happen to have really small hands, there's no denying the Xbox controller is objectively superior between the two.

Sony is still stuck with their awful controller design, just stop messing around and copy the superior Xbox design, one of the reasons I didn't get the PS4 was the controller (and no proper GT, the whole point of PS is GT for me).

Not sure why you are talking about the size of your hands ... I and my two sons are 183 to 200 cm tall and have hands that would be regarded by most as large. The major difference is the quality of the joysticks.

TardianNot sure why you are talking about the size of your hands ... I and my two sons are 183 to 200 cm tall and have hands that would be regarded by most as large. The major difference is the quality of the joysticks.

Ahem... as a long term PS gamer I can tell you the joysticks on dualshocks are certainly not more durable, to begin with. At some point they won't center/deadzone properly, I have the controllers here still, happens with DS2, Sixaxis.... Better in what aspect then? They both work.

I have large hands too and I don't really know how you can find the DS4 (or any PS controller for that matter) uncomfortable. If you play giving your controller a death grip instead of letting it rest on your hands I guess it can happen.

One thing that will get interesting is what will happen if Flick Stick gets any traction since the Xbox one doesn't have a gyro sensor.

Vayra86I think its personal preference, no? You either have midget hands (PS5) or you don't (Xbox) and you pick the one that doesn't hurt.

I think it’s related to physical properties and not personal preference. Of course you wouldn’t get anything that would hurt you, or would not match your hands.

You either have symmetrical hands (PS5) or you don’t (xbox).

Too bad you can’t probably play with the box controller on PS5, and you’ll lose the ability to play next gen games if you pick up the ’box instead.

been using dualshocks since DS2, i had both xbox pads and dual shocks and i keep coming back to dual shocks

TardianThe controller is what puts PS in a different and better league than Xbox. PS5 and GT7 will be how I "waste" my time in the future. Hooked up to an LG OLED (not transparent).

We need to see game studios other than Sony exclusives actually use it.

Battery life(lack thereof) has always been my biggest complaint with most things wireless, especially controllers. Battery life needs to double or even triple in most cases..

lexluthermiesterBattery life(lack thereof) has always been my biggest complaint with most things wireless, especially controllers. Battery life needs to double or even triple in most cases..

Why? Just place it into its dock when you don’t use it. If you game more than 12h a day maybe consider having a more varied hobby portfolio or two controllers.

DrediWhy? Just place it into its dock when you don’t use it.

What dock? PS4 controllers don't have a dock, nor do most other wireless controllers. And that's hardly the point. Controller battery charges don't last very long and they always seem to die at the absolute wrong moment.

DrediIf you game more than 12h a day maybe consider having a more varied hobby portfolio or two controllers.

Veiled insult eh? Kind of pathetic response really. Get knotted.

WITF would a controller need batteries?

lexluthermiesterWhat dock? PS4 controllers don't have a dock, nor do most other wireless controllers. And that's hardly the point. Controller battery charges don't last very long and they always seem to die at the absolute wrong moment.

Veiled insult eh? Kind of pathetic response really. Get knotted.

Simply stating that doing one thing 12 hours a day, regardless of what it is, is not healthy.

And PS4 controllers definitely have a dock.
www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-DualShock-Charging-Station/dp/B00D781PSI

Maybe you are mixing it up with xbox controllers, those can’t be docked for convenience.

DrediSimply stating that doing one thing 12 hours a day, regardless of what it is, is not healthy.

Thanks for the tip. You're making assumptions and trying to cover them up with excuses. Stop doing that. It's not your place to assume how people live nor to tell them how to do same.

DrediAnd PS4 controllers definitely have a dock.
www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-DualShock-Charging-Station/dp/B00D781PSI
Maybe you are mixing it up with xbox controllers, those can’t be docked for convenience.

Oh, I'm sorry, allow me to rephrase: The PS4 does not come with a dock for it's controller(s). Nor do any other systems.

There is nothing wrong with wanting longer battery life from devices that have short battery life. If you somehow can not grasp that very simple concept, you have the problem.

DrediAnd PS4 controllers definitely have a dock.
www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-DualShock-Charging-Station/dp/B00D781PSI

Maybe you are mixing it up with xbox controllers, those can’t be docked for convenience.

Uh, yes they can. There are plenty of Xbox One docks available. www.amazon.com/Venom-Docking-Station-Rechargeable-Battery-Packs/dp/B00G4UCNI2

JAB CreationsWITF would a controller need batteries?

To power them when they're wireless?

lexluthermiesterThere is nothing wrong with wanting longer battery life from devices that have short battery life.

True, but it would make the controllers heavier, larger and more expensive without providing any tanglible benefits. The batteries will run out annoyingly anyway at some point unless you diligently put them into a charger/dock when they are not in use. The only cases where it would matter are when you don’t have access to electricity and you are using the pad with a laptop, or if you play for more than 12 hours a day. Neither of those are very common things to do, and I would argue that a lighter, cheaper and more comfortable controller is preferrable to most. I’m pretty sure that you can just plug a power bank to it and secure it with some duct tape if battery life is all you care about.

DrediTrue, but it would make the controllers heavier

Ok, no big deal.

Dredilarger

Debatable. Try opening up a controller sometime. The vast majority of them have lots of empty space.

Drediand more expensive

By what, $2 or $3? Ok, I'll pay a little extra for longer battery life.

Drediwithout providing any tangible benefits.

(spell check is your friend)
Seriously? Longer battery life is a VERY tangible benefit.

Dredior if you play for more than 12 hours a day

You're assuming that controller batteries last 12hrs. Most do not.

I'd have to actually test my DS4v2 to check how long the battery lasts but I am a simple man and I just plug it to my 20Ah USB portable battery when it says its running out of juice.

lexluthermiesterOk, no big deal.

Debatable. Try opening up a controller sometime. The vast majority of them have lots of empty space.

By what, $2 or $3? Ok, I'll pay a little extra for longer battery life.

(spell check is your friend)
Seriously? Longer battery life is a VERY tangible benefit.

You're assuming that controller batteries last 12hrs. Most do not.

Just buy the xbox controller then. 50% heavier, 100% thicker, quick change disposable alkaline batteries and all that next gen stuff. Sounds like a dream, no?

I genuinely don’t understand the use case where the 8+ hour battery life is too short. There first needs to be a problem to solve to make solving it a tangible (thanks for the correction!) benefit. The weight, size and cost improvements are all something that everyone (or at least most) can appreciate.

In order to determine the size, cost and weight effects of a bigger battery you first need to state the desired capacity.

DrediJust buy the xbox controller then.

And you expect to pair that controller with a PS4/PS5 then? How about a Nintendo Switch? Right. Let that sink in a moment.

DrediI genuinely don’t understand

That statement really says it all then doesn't it, very clearly. Allow me to sum it up for you. The batteries in most controllers are not easily replaced(Xbox controllers being the exception). They only have a limited number of charge/discharge cycles in them so every time they deplete and recharge, that is one less life cycle that battery has in it. And even the most high quality batteries lose capacity as they wear out. So given that simple understanding, I(and every other gamer with more than two brain cells to rub together) would like to have the longest life possible out of the batteries supplied with our controllers. This means longer lasting individual charge cycles, which means more gaming inbetween charges and thus not needing to charge said battery as often, therefore making the bloody thing last as long as possible for maximum controller longevity.

DrediIn order to determine the size, cost and weight effects of a bigger battery you first need to state the desired capacity.

The standard DS4 controller battery is a 1000mah unit. There are aftermarket replacements that have upto 2500mah, but using them voids the warranty(not really a problem after 90days). I have done this to all four of my DS4 controllers and the replacements fit right in. The original batteries started having problems just after the first year of use. The replacements are still going strong after 3 years of use. Imagine that. The replacement batteries also provide around 20hrs(still) of playtime per charge. To sum up, a little added weight that isn't noticed, more than double playtime between charges which results in longer over-all battery lifetime. The bigger the battery the better. Lithium Ion batteries don't weigh very much anyway.

kayjay010101To power them when they're wireless?

Wireless? Might as well go stick one's hands in a microwave plus you missed my obvious sarcasm.

JAB CreationsWireless? Might as well go stick one's hands in a microwave plus you missed my obvious sarcasm.

I prefer corded controllers as well. Not a common choice anymore though...

The DualShock 4 pales in comparison to the Xbox One Controller with a capacity of 4200mAh from its 2 AA batteries.

Not even close to comparable. AA batteries are 1.2-1.5V. Compare using Watt-hours instead of Amp-hours when the batteries use different voltages.