Even though Blu-ray was beautiful, it is much better to use compact USB flash drives - no rotation and unlimited capacity.

I am actually surprised because I think at this point if we are going to do physical copies it would probably make more sense to make them on cards in stead of Blu-Rays. I know discs cost less to make and truthfully the disks don't really do much anymore but still I think it would be better.

Though more of my surprise is the fact it will not be totally digital.

Read-only physical media makes less sense when you pretty much need to redownload the whole game in a lot of cases to get all the updates.

Wish it was more like GOG. Backup your games on anything you like and reinstall wherever and whenever you want.

GhostRyderI am actually surprised because I think at this point if we are going to do physical copies it would probably make more sense to make them on cards in stead of Blu-Rays. I know discs cost less to make and truthfully the disks don't really do much anymore but still I think it would be better.

Though more of my surprise is the fact it will not be totally digital.

I agree that some form of flash media makes more sense. It would have to be a USB drive because otherwise the console would need an extra-cost card reader. But that would make the game more expensive to manufacture and would require a higher selling price.

The problem is consumers' reaction to pricing. It would be hard for Sony to sell physical copies of games if each game with physical media was priced $5-$10 higher than the version without. The blu-ray disc drive costs $80, and most consumers would actually save money by paying more per-game instead of buying the disc drive (since there are a limited number of consumers who have 10+ games for their console). However, I still think that most consumers with slow internet connections would put up with the hassle of digital distribution if it meant saving money per-game.

Problem is that not everyone is lucky enough to share the same internet. Like 5 or 6 years ago I was rocking out at 3.5Mb/s.. took 4 hours for 10GB.

I'm already at the point where i'll probably just wait for the games to release on PC.
But if it forces their overpriced digital store, theres no chance ill get another Playstation.

3valatzyEven though Blu-ray was beautiful, it is much better to use compact USB flash drives - no rotation and unlimited capacity.

Flash memory's cold storage performance is absolutely horrific. Bitrot can set in within months. Not a good format for games. If you use non volatile flash memory like nintendo, you are simultaneously hit with higher costs for the media and restricted capacities which are already too small for modern games.

3valatzyEven though Blu-ray was beautiful, it is much better to use compact USB flash drives - no rotation and unlimited capacity.

You can't buy PlayStation games on on USB flash drives tho...

What’s an optical disc?

The Von MatricesI agree that some form of flash media makes more sense. It would have to be a USB drive because otherwise the console would need an extra-cost card reader. But that would make the game more expensive to manufacture and would require a higher selling price.

The problem is consumers' reaction to pricing. It would be hard for Sony to sell physical copies of games if each game with physical media was priced $5-$10 higher than the version without. The blu-ray disc drive costs $80, and most consumers would actually save money by paying more per-game instead of buying the disc drive (since there are a limited number of consumers who have 10+ games for their console). However, I still think that most consumers with slow internet connections would put up with the hassle of digital distribution if it meant saving money per-game.

freeagentProblem is that not everyone is lucky enough to share the same internet. Like 5 or 6 years ago I was rocking out at 3.5Mb/s.. took 4 hours for 10GB.

TheinsanegamerNFlash memory's cold storage performance is absolutely horrific. Bitrot can set in within months. Not a good format for games. If you use non volatile flash memory like nintendo, you are simultaneously hit with higher costs for the media and restricted capacities which are already too small for modern games.

So, I view these three comments together as the story of physical media.

On one end, I've been in places where satellite internet is the best they can do. You may live in the middle of nowhere, but you still wants to play games. Your only option is either an Xbox 360 (timely joke), or to basically play something that fits on your mobile device. Both solutions suck. That said, it's not like internet infrastructure is evolving quickly.

You then have the people living where the internet is good, pretending that losing the $80 optical drive will actually see the consumers get a penny back. Not sure how people got so optimistic, because what I see is them losing the cost, keeping the profits, and charging you more for an add-on. How much did they charge for that PS5 pro again?

Then you get to the new media format. It might be slightly more expensive than a disc printing...so people will complain about their $60 or $70 game costing more...but they still own it and can sell it for real money when they are done. Nothing quite like Steam...where people wait for games to come down in price because there's literally no resale market. Oh, but MS is in the middle of fixing it now that Xbox as a brand is cratering. They release games pass, you pay regularly, and you own nothing. Knowing their history, in two years they'll announce games pass platinum, and call their current version silver. Silver will be 20% less cost, but feature only the 20 latest games while platinum features everything. Tell me that doesn't sound like the MS way, and I'll show you a person either too young or too gullible to see the MS pattern.



In a perfect world you buy the game on a piece of non-volatile ROM. Your ROM acts as a one time check key, that loads the game onto your console drive. Each key calls home once, using minimum data, to authorize the key. If it's on a new console but an old key, MS freezes that game on your system without the same key. 30 days, or manually chosen, the local image is hidden on the drive until space is required, and once it is the image can be overwritten (with game save file data stored elsewhere and preserved). In this way you can resell games, they are more durable, and there's still some value in old games for collectors or somebody in 10 years who wants to play an old game but the servers are down...because preservation is a thing. Lord knows old NES carts are basically silver or gold...and most of those are older than me. Despite that, disc rot has already seen some PS1 games start to vanish.

Unfortunately, I think Sony wants to pull a Nintendo and charge $20 for a 30 year old ROM. Lord knows they aren't shy about remakes.

Maybe games should launch digital and then go physical once the big bugs are fixed.

It makes sense that they won't abandon disc drives completely; they know their demographics and markets, and there's apparently a large enough demand from those who still want drives with their consoles. The real question is when will they consider abandoning it (even a theoretical external add-on), if ever, or if they'll make it a feature again to be able to play old PS1 and PS2 discs the way the early PS3s were able to, but expand it to include the PS3 era too. Esp. now that modern hardware is good enough to emulate legacy hardware and Sony could technically expand their emulation efforts to directly emulate and play older PS games.

Situation with optical disk addon for PS5 Slim and Pro has became a disaster this generation due to lack of supply and scalping. If they pulled the same thing with next gen in its entirety that would be a massive "fuck you" to the consumers.

dicobaltMaybe games should launch digital and then go physical once the big bugs are fixed.

Just imagine if we had games released on physical medium on day 1 with no need for patching. Oh wait, we had that since NES.

Makes sense, consoles have always been lagging behind PC's by about 15 years when it comes to tech. I mean, look how long it took for them to get official SSD support. Or 60 FPS being a standard, which it still isn't at times.

ChomiqSituation with optical disk addon for PS5 Slim and Pro has became a disaster this generation due to lack of supply and scalping. If they pulled the same thing with next gen in its entirety that would be a massive "fuck you" to the consumers.


Just imagine if we had games released on physical medium on day 1 with no need for patching. Oh wait, we had that since NES.

Those cartridge games also had revisions with bug fixes.

dicobaltMaybe games should launch digital and then go physical once the big bugs are fixed.

This is what I would like to see.

Definitive Editions that get a physical release. Didn't Larian do that for DOS?

DavenWhat’s an optical disc?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc

An optical disc is a flat, usually disc-shaped object that stores information in the form of physical variations on its surface that can be read with the aid of a beam of light. Optical discs can be reflective, where the light source and detector are on the same side of the disc, or transmissive, where light shines through the disc to be detected on the other side.

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I do not mind disc less versions as long as you can buy the disc later on. I recently bought the PS5 Pro but getting a disc drive for it has be trying to find a needle in a stack of needles. No stock anywhere. Not on amazon, best buy, computer stores even gamestop nothing Cannot find a single disc drive for sale anywhere. The sad part is you have to buy the Sony brand you cannot just hook up a USB drive external on the USB-c.

So ya I keep searching every day for a disc.

the ps6, ps6pro (i believe the ps6pro will be released first…but i digress)

in any case, the ps6 will use the current ”plugable” drive. and use it as a pack-in for the disc drive unit/console.

why is it that nobody complains about PC’s only being digital… but they always mention Consoles must have a disc drive!…

They fucking better keep the disc drive - be it an addon or not - or I won't buy another console that's all I have to say :slap:

ChomiqSituation with optical disk addon for PS5 Slim and Pro has became a disaster this generation due to lack of supply and scalping. If they pulled the same thing with next gen in its entirety that would be a massive "fuck you" to the consumers.

LycanwolfenI do not mind disc less versions as long as you can buy the disc later on. I recently bought the PS5 Pro but getting a disc drive for it has be trying to find a needle in a stack of needles. No stock anywhere. Not on amazon, best buy, computer stores even gamestop nothing Cannot find a single disc drive for sale anywhere. The sad part is you have to buy the Sony brand you cannot just hook up a USB drive external on the USB-c.

Is it really that bad? I've seen it on store shelfes pretty much everytime I take a stroll through an electronics shop, probably market dependent I guess

trsttteThey fucking better keep the disc drive - be it an addon or not - or I won't buy another console that's all I have to say :slap:




Is it really that bad? I've seen it on store shelfes pretty much everytime I take a stroll through an electronics shop, probably market dependent I guess

Well in the USA almost every gamestop had stock of the drive but in Canada not a single store has stock in the entire country.