PooPipeBoySo the cynical folk who predicted that the 5900X would be a power-hungry overheating pile with a 150W TDP that AMD simply overclocked to reach 5.0GHz were.....what's the word.....WRONG.

birdieAMD fans never fail to disappoint with double standards. Intel and NVIDIA have always been "evil" but once AMD does that, suddenly it's perfectly fine because they just follow suit.

TurmaniaI'm pretty sure, towards end of the month AMD will issue a statement, saying, we listened to you again as we always do and we lowered the prices by 50 USD! and the fanboyz will go wild again... watch this space!

wheresmycarAn honest question....

I'm somewhat new to the world of PC hardware (3 years or so but a quick learner) and not so much familiar with the historic justifications for brand loyalty. TBH, no matter how hard I try I can't justify anyone's brand-leanings and don't expect to find any valid cause for it. So I'm not going to ask "why the favouritism?".... but will ask, "is this something you intend on pursuing, even if the other side delivers something better and more useful?"

Or maybe i'm seeing things the wrong way. Maybe you're open to purchasing from both AMD/INTEL to best accommodate your personal performance requirements/features/budget/etc ....but outwardly favour one brand over the other? (...maybe rooting for the underdog? overclocking margins/enthusiasm? etc?)

MakaveliSome of the intel fan boys post in this thread are hilarious.

Rob94hawkAnd who would they be?

chstamosAll I've seen are AMD toxic fanboys attacking anyone and everyone that was not POSITIVELY ENTHUSED by the announcement. But what do I know. The fanboys know for a fact I'm just another intel shill for writing this. How dare anyone not be pissed with joy at the prospect of 300 dollars for the lowest end cpu, they're obviously shilling for intel or spoiled brats demanding free CPUs from amd.

ZubasaIt is not like the current Zen2 cpus just all goes poof and gone overnight and are suddenly horrible chips.
Buy Zen2 if you want best value, not like you need that extra few fps gaming on a 2060 or 5600xt anyway.

sergionographySo there's something that has been bothering me that I never paid attention to, and could be a big mess when big navi comes out, and that is Ray Tracing performance. In the techpowerup review for the rtx 3080, ray tracing was disabled for "neutrality purposes". How long will this be the case? I paid little attention to that but I think I'd like to see rtx2000 vs rtx3000 since both support rt. The reason I say this is because when looking at the big navi performance mentioned by AMD, first thing I did was look at actual performance to compare to Nvidia and last gen AMD. For starters, these games mentioned by AMD do not support ray tracing to my knowledge. When I compared the number to a rx 5700 xt, they are about twice the performance, which is what we predicted, but this is purely rasterization. Now what about the RT penalty? What if AMD loses more performance when rt is enabled, but matches Nvidia without it. It's going to be a mess since reviewers have not incorporated ray tracing into their benchmarks yet.

chstamosAll I've seen are AMD toxic fanboys attacking anyone and everyone that was not POSITIVELY ENTHUSED by the announcement. But what do I know. The fanboys know for a fact I'm just another intel shill for writing this. How dare anyone not be pissed with joy at the prospect of 300 dollars for the lowest end cpu, they're obviously shilling for intel or spoiled brats demanding free CPUs from amd.

chstamosYes, your point is perfectly valid, but don't you think it's annoying that the minute anyone passes any kind of judgement on AMD's pricing, they're either intel shills or "entitled"? It's almost as if only intel's prices can be subject to criticism. The 5600X is -in my opinion, and a lot of others', it would seem- a terrible value for money compared to 3600 and noone should be subject to fanboi ad homs for thinking so.

chstamosYes, your point is perfectly valid, but don't you think it's annoying that the minute anyone passes any kind of judgement on AMD's pricing, they're either intel shills or "entitled"? It's almost as if only intel's prices can be subject to criticism. The 5600X is -in my opinion, and a lot of others', it would seem- a terrible value for money compared to 3600 and noone should be subject to fanboi ad homs for thinking so.