nguyenWell if 720p upscaled to 4K have equal IQ as 4K, I say go for it.
Every hardware editorial seems to agree that if DLSS is available, use it. They didn't say anything about trading visual quality for performance (as least with DLSS in Quality mode).

The only thing with DLSS is that it's unfair to AMD, who has no answer yet. But it's a competition out there, not some fun race between friends.

Let think of it this way, while AMD continue to optimize rasterization performance for their GPU, Nvidia effort is to incorporate DLSS into new games. But somehow benching DLSS is too unfair for AMD, it makes no fricking sense.

Also equal settings and equal conditions were never actually equal, some games just have optimizations for specific brand, just like Far Cry 5 feature rapid-packed math.

INSTG8ROkay again fir the last time ...That’s not how benchmarks work! you compare every card under equal conditions or else it’s not a valid benchmark PERIOD. If AMD has a similar feature it ALSO could not be used...no ones denying some games are optim better for one brand but the cards are run at DEFAULT settings and results are based on their raw performance at those settings a# equal as possible I’m glad you really like DLSS but it’s a “feature“ nobody gets to run features in benchmarks. all cards are run stock/default always. Why do you think W1zzard has. single test bench where the only difference is card he“s testing and the drivers installed for it.? 5o every card is tested under EQUAL conditions.

nguyenI have been saying this all along, 5700XT is being benched with PCIe 4.0 config in HUB testing, while 2070S is PCIe 3.0, get it ?
Are those equal testing conditions ?

nguyenI have been saying this all along, 5700XT is being benched with PCIe 4.0 config in HUB testing, while 2070S is PCIe 3.0, get it ?
Are those equal testing conditions ?

nguyenI have been saying this all along, 5700XT is being benched with PCIe 4.0 config in HUB testing, while 2070S is PCIe 3.0, get it ?
Are those equal testing conditions ?

INSTG8RAnd were bac’k to Appless and Pumpkins it does NOT effect the results n any way. Did you read the 3080 PCI scaling tests? i saw 1FPS difference across all resolutions that is literally margin of error iW1zzards current test bench is 4.0 but again ir will have absolutely zero difference you’re trying to make a metric that doesn’t exist to justify your favourite new pet feature should somehow make for valid benchmarks. you know where PCI4 would be an unfair advantage? Testing JNVME drives...something that can actually util the extra bandwidth GFX still don’t fully utilize 3.0. It was also pointed out that ithe HUB reviews f DLSS was available the resu were listed but would NEVER be included in the benchmark result s

dicktracy2.4Ghz but slower than the 3080 especially when RT is turned on. Insta-Passss!

nguyenholy jeez, since when were I talking about TPU benchmarks.

INSTG8RI’m just informing you that TPU is now benchmarking on PCI 4.0 as well so you better clutch your pearls at all the benches done here too then. You literally can’t let go that PCI 4.0 is offering no advantage. All the AmPete cards are 4.0 I’ll be sure to cry foul when the have an unfair advantage over your 2080ti... :rolleyes:

nguyenSo you are comparing apple to pumpkin and accusing me of doing so. TPU benchmark suit are different to HUB, different game different testing config.
If TPU testing show no difference then it must be the same for every other testing condition ?
Pretty small minded aren't you, and you called yourself enthusiast ?

Well since you have X570 and 5700XT, might as well test them yourself against HUB

INSTG8RThe problem is YOU cannot let go of this literally insignificant deviation like 4.0 is cheating 3.0 cards somehow. Still not seeing any advantage her!e? W1z ha# always done PCI scaling tests and he’s tested this as well and I trust his methods and he literally useful the most recent flagship 4.0 card I just picked one bench at 4K but you can pic any title or resolution he tested and the all look like this...I don’t use HIUB for hardware reviews or benchmarks so no I don’t know their methods but I do know W1zzards there is no more than 2FPS difference in every resolution and game he tested with a 4.0 3080 if any card could possibly use the extra bandwidth it would be that one. Your“re chasing a metric that ha# zero impact on benchmark scoring

CammLets just pretend for a sec that PCIE 4 made more than a statistical anomaly of a difference for a sec.

Why should a PCIE 4.0 card be tested at 3.0 when its a review of its performance? It's like testing USB 3 drives against a USB 2 drive on a USB slot, it doesn't make any sense.

And before you utter DLSS, PCIE 4.0 is A: A standard available regardless of game, B: A lossy upscaling solution that isn't rendering at the benchmarked resolution.

nguyenC: should you disable DLSS where it is available to you ?

It's like DX12 vs DX11, you use whatever API give your better FPS and frametimes, forcing DX12 benchmark onto Nvidia cards where it is detrimental is quite unfair no ?

Cammtechreport.com/review/3089/how-atis-drivers-optimize-quake-iii/

A lossy image isn't the same as a lossless image, and suggesting as such reminds me of the Quake 3 driver shens from ATi & Nvidia back in the day. Or should we benchmark AMD cards running at the same internal resolution of DLSS & apply sharpening with native render target and call it comparable?

CammLets just pretend for a sec that PCIE 4 made more than a statistical anomaly of a difference for a sec.

Why should a PCIE 4.0 card be tested at 3.0 when its a review of its performance? It's like testing USB 3 drives against a USB 2 drive on a USB 2 slot, it doesn't make any sense.

And before you utter DLSS, PCIE 4.0 is A: A standard available regardless of game, B: Isn't a lossy upscaling solution that isn't rendering at the benchmarked resolution.

nguyen

DLSS vs Fidelity FX

nguyenI litterally talked about how flawed HUB testing was, yet here you are defending TPU ?
When did I even talked about TPU
:roll:
OK sure mister "zero" impact, "equal testing condition" :D, whatever you said

CammSo now one lossy solution isn't allowed to be benchmarked, but another one is? At least be consistent in your bullshit.

nguyenSure, with equal Image Quality let benchmark DLSS Performance (or Ultra Performance) vs FidelityFX

nguyenSure, with equal Image Quality let benchmark DLSS Performance (or Ultra Performance) vs FidelityFX

CammBit hard to say its equal image quality since DLSS's processing of the image uses graphical techniques that aren't exposed by the game engine, making comparison difficult. Secondly, not all frames have equal graphical fidelity, as when new data is introduced to the scene, the AI algorithm has to 'race' to gain info from multiple frames to reconstruct the image.

Is DLSS good? Yup, will we probably play all games like this? Yup (if Nvidia bothers to make a solution that works across all games, which is another reason why it shouldn't be used in benchmarking scenarios). But it has fatal flaws that preclude it from being compared apples to apples, and benchmarking data with DLSS should be shown, but called out separately so the reader can make a value call on the limited support and performance subset.....

Which both HWU & TPU do. So again, whats your problem?

INSTG8RAgain neither of those things would be used in any benchmark except comparing them to each other and you h literally found the only example where it’s ev possible because it’s the only game that has both. Still gives zero weight to your argument For DLSS.But hey I can actually argue for Fidelity FX being the better of the 2 in that game I own I finished it and use$ Fidelity F.X but that comparison shows DLSS with some obvious visual issues Fidelity FX diid‘t and overall looked better.I know my performance in the game was fantastic and looked totally amazing . Sti , can’t use it in benchmarks. .

nguyenDLSS is like a specific customization for a game, doesn't mean it should be excluded though.
I was responding to a recent HUB testing that did not include DLSS result, so there is that.
TPU did some DLSS 2.0 testing, where is that ?

evernessinceNo because polls from hardware unboxed 3 months back suggest that only 7% of card owners were having severe issues like what you were describing (and lets be honest here, a number of those users are likely Nvidia owners checking the box that makes AMD look worst). You are suggesting that 100% of 5700 / 5700 XTs had issues and that simply isn't true. I should not have to say that though, if 100% had issues, drivers or otherwise, AMD would have been decimated. Why you make the assumption that 5/5 cards having issues is "likely" . No, in no universe is it. None of the data supports that and we haven't ever seen anywhere near 100%.

My prior statement stands: Either you are extraordinary unlucky or there is something else going on.



No one's saying AMD shouldn't improve it's drivers. Navi clearly had / has issues.

The problem is when people come into threads making claims like 100% of AMD cards have issues. You can't complain about partisanship when you yourself added to it.

nguyenDLSS is like a specific customization for a game, doesn't mean it should be excluded though.
I was responding to a recent HUB testing that did not include DLSS result, so there is that.
TPU did some DLSS 2.0 testing, where is that ?



Kinda funny your conclusion is entirely contrary to what the author was saying. But hey, I was saying HUB was pretty unfair too :D, reviewer vs normal user yeah ?
You can apply FidelityFX to any game, just create a custom resolution and use the GPU scaler to upscale it to fit the screen, 5 seconds custom job.