Thursday, November 26th 2020

AMD Ryzen 7 5800U "Cezanne" Based on "Zen 3," Geekbenched

AMD's main competitor to Intel's 11th Gen Core "Tiger Lake" processor in the mobile space, the Ryzen 5800U, will introduce the same kind of generational IPC improvements over the Ryzen 4800U "Renoir" as the Ryzen 5000 desktop processors introduced over their Ryzen 3000 predecessors. Based on the 7 nm "Cezanne" silicon, the new Ryzen 7 5800U processor was put through Geekbench 5.1.1, where it yielded performance numbers of 1491 points single-threaded, and 6450 points multi-threaded. HotHardware comments that these numbers reflect a major IPC increase.

With the Ryzen 5000U series, AMD is taking a very confusing approach to the processor model stack, with half the parts based on the older "Zen 2" microarchitecture and "Lucienne" silicon, and the other half "Zen 3." The model number scheme goes as 5x00U, where if "x" is an odd number, the chip is "Zen 2" based, and if it's an even number, it is "Zen 3" based. For example, the 5800U is based on "Zen 3," whereas the 5700U is based on "Zen 2." Find the 5800U Geekbench 5 validation here. The Geekbench database listing also confirms that much like with the 8-core "Zen 3" chiplets on the Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer" desktop processors, "Cezanne" features an 8-core "Zen 3" CPU that does away with the 4-core CCX arrangement, and features a single 8-core CCX with a monolithic 16 MB L3 cache—a doubling in overall L3 cache amount compared to "Renoir," and a quadrupling in addressable L3 cache by each core.
Source: HotHardware
Add your own comment

58 Comments on AMD Ryzen 7 5800U "Cezanne" Based on "Zen 3," Geekbenched

#51
dyonoctis
rvalenciaCZN's MT scores at 6.21 GB/s while ST scores have 5.58 GB/s is strange. AES should be able to scale with core count on CZN's side.

AES-XTS is pointless for Blender3D type workloads.
I went and made a comparison with the 4800u, (and even zen 2 vs zen3) the results are really weird. I don't know why, but zen2 is faster than zen3 in MT AES-XTS, Navigation and machine learning are also points were zen2 often takes the leads in MT, or is just as fast, even though they lost to zen 3 in ST. There is either something wrong with the scheduler, or geekbench is full of shit
Posted on Reply
#52
Chrispy_
dyonoctisI went and made a comparison with the 4800u, (and even zen 2 vs zen3) the results are really weird. I don't know why, but zen2 is faster than zen3 in MT AES-XTS, Navigation and machine learning are also points were zen2 often takes the leads in MT, or is just as fast, even though they lost to zen 3 in ST. There is either something wrong with the scheduler, or geekbench is full of shit
You really can't compare zen2 laptops vs zen3 laptops unless they are configured to use the same cooling, the same cDTP, and the same RAM timings.

By altering the cDTP and cooling of my Zen1 laptop from 12-25W I can create a range of results that's three times faster at the high end than it is at the low end. Unless laptop test results are stipulated, in detail, that they are running on otherwise identical configs, the results are meaningless - and Geekbench is inconsistent run-to-run and version-to-version too, for added random noise.....
Posted on Reply
#53
dyonoctis
Chrispy_You really can't compare zen2 laptops vs zen3 laptops unless they are configured to use the same cooling, the same cDTP, and the same RAM timings.

By altering the cDTP and cooling of my Zen1 laptop from 12-25W I can create a range of results that's three times faster at the high end than it is at the low end. Unless laptop test results are stipulated, in detail, that they are running on otherwise identical configs, the results are meaningless - and Geekbench is inconsistent run-to-run and version-to-version too, for added random noise.....
yes, but those results are in line with the desktop results. for some reason in geekbench zen 2 is better at specific task than zen 3 when multithreating is involved... (3600x vs 5600x) idk there's too many variable with that benchmark and the online results :banghead:
Posted on Reply
#54
Chrispy_
dyonoctisyes, but those results are in line with the desktop results. for some reason in geekbench zen 2 is better at specific task than zen 3 when multithreating is involved... (3600x vs 5600x) idk there's too many variable with that benchmark and the online results :banghead:
The problem with Geekbench is that it's modified to constantly tune new architectures between versions. It's less of a benchmark and more of a test of how much effort the devs have put into tuning it to run on a specific CPU family.
Posted on Reply
#55
michwoz
zlobbyBiggest question yet - is it using RDNA or not?
What would be the point of putting RDNA on DDR4 platform, without on package memory?
Posted on Reply
#56
zlobby
michwozWhat would be the point of putting RDNA on DDR4 platform, without on package memory?
Eh, these babies support 4266MT/s in dual channel mode. With bank and row interleaving the total memory bandwidth is quite nice. IMO, the iGPU should benefit significantly.

@W1zzard and crew, can you guys please make analysis how iGPU performance scales with memory speed on modern iGPU, e.g. Xe, Vega?
Posted on Reply
#57
michwoz
It will benefit, sure, but it will still suck. The benefit is not that great imo. iGPUs hit memory performance limit at Vega 11/ Vega 8 (7Nm) / Intel Xe 96EU level some time ego (way below 2 Tflop FP32). To reach levels significantly better than that, a SoC with integrated memory is a required (consoles, Kaby Lake-G, Apple M1). "Traditional" APUs won't cut it.
Posted on Reply
Add your own comment
Aug 14th, 2024 22:38 EDT change timezone

New Forum Posts

Popular Reviews

Controversial News Posts