Gmr_ChickDon't feed the troll @qubit


Stahp it! Stahp feeding teh troll!

Yes .. because in the alternate world of internet tech forums, posting facts related to the topic = trolling.

Why_MeYes .. because in the alternate world of internet tech forums, posting facts related to the topic = trolling.

what facts were those?

1d10tWhat does 'HOT SELLER' mean in US English?

The same as it does in the Queens English. No difference..

TheinsanegamerNRocket lake pulls mroe power then comet lake, runs at a lower max clock speed, and the IPC jump has done diddly squat for games. AND their top tier lost 20% of its core count, meaning that in productivity benchmarks rocket lake also tends to lose to its predecessor, again while pulling more power. The onyl time it wins conclusively is in AVX 512, which is almost nonexistent in consumer applications and turns the 11 series into furnaces rivaling chernobyl. Depending on the reviewer you look at rocket lake is either almost identical or slightly slower then comet lake in games. In productivity AMD still crushes intel, witht he 5900x being the same price as a 11900k and being 40+% faster. And dont forget the memory controller on rocket lake being not only power hungry but also unable to hit the same 1:1 speeds that comet lake can. Some reviewers have had a hard time hitting 3800mhz when comet lake could do 4000+ out of the box.

The most interesting parts of this generation are the 11400f and 11700f, not because they perform well, as the same complaints apply to them in regards to gaming performance, but rather because they are being sold at competitive prices that AMD has just decided to up and abandon. You can buy a 11400f, B560 motherboard, and some of your memory for the price of a 5600x, assuming the 5600x isnt being scalped. Granted the only reason you can OC memory on B560 is thanks to AMD, but still that doesnt change the fact AMD has left budget users high and dry. Not saying its right or wrong either, just that it is.

Especially given the price cuts on the 10th series, the 10850k is only $380. The 10900f is only $348, only 18 more then a 11700. And you get 2 mroe cores. The 11th gen is a total dud from a value standpoint, and its performance doesnt justify it.

Unlike many, I dont see alder lake fixing anything. Shoving atom cores into a desktop design isnt going to fix the performance gap, and zen 4 threatens to widen it significantly.

I agree with most of your points. Though I feel only the i5 RKL non-overclocking models look interesting to me. Sadly, it is not because of the wonderful performance they bring to the table but because they are cheaper than competition with around the same performance. The i7 and i9 are a total letdown and die hard Intel supporters are better off with Comet Lake which is cheaper.

As to Alder Lake, I agree its unlikely to turn Intel's position around. The Tremont cores can only do so much and no way will it be competitive even with a 12 core AMD processor, assuming Zen 4 will have such a configuration. Even with a die shrink from 14 to 10nm, it seems that Intel is just not getting it dense enough to squeeze more performance cores in there, or they have wasted a lot of die space. Having low power cores help reduce power consumption, but at the same time, hurt performance.

I absolutely enjoy my recent 11400f b560-i purchase coupled with 6800xt for 1440p high IQ gaming as I’m wondering now how much zen4 and alder lake with ddr5 will bring in terms of improvement over current generation. It might end up not that significant a girst-gen product on new platform. In that case I’d happily drop in 11700f later for cheap and maybe add some 32gb ram set instead of 16gb I keep using for now.

Jozsef DornyeiI have to get a new PC - as Graphics cards cannot be bought at sane prices I will probably buy the 11500 what is the cheapest of the 11 series with the better IGP - UHD 750. AMD has better CPUs but a lot more expensive and has no IGP. (IGP - CPU integrated GPU)

Buy 4650K or 4750G, you can try yo find 5xxxG series.

Well they are considered the budget option now so the prices should be less or lowering, you always pay more for a premium platform which is clearly the AMD socket. I feel bad for people that bought into the latest intel socket for it to be dead 1 yr later and hoping the 11th Gen CPU's would be its saving grace, that didnt happen....and still get out passed by a older and questionably the best socket to ever be released. Anyone that jumped onto the AM4 socket in the B450/X470 time should be smiling big time having 4 gens of CPU's to play with and still be able to out pace intels latest and greatest 3yrs later on the same platform.

MelvisWell they are considered the budget option now so the prices should be less or lowering, you always pay more for a premium platform which is clearly the AMD socket. I feel bad for people that bought into the latest intel socket for it to be dead 1 yr later and hoping the 11th Gen CPU's would be its saving grace, that didnt happen....and still get out passed by a older and questionably the best socket to ever be released. Anyone that jumped onto the AM4 socket in the B450/X470 time should be smiling big time having 4 gens of CPU's to play with and still be able to out pace intels latest and greatest 3yrs later on the same platform.

Yeah, because so many people changed cpus on am4. Oh and what a premium platform that has usb issues, very premium. 11th will keep performing and won’t suddenly stop in 1 year. People that bought into b550 or even b450 should be felt sorry for as well, following your logic as it’ll be dead in one year. So much fanboy nonsense in one post.

RaendorOh and what a premium platform that has usb issues

Didn't have any issues here! Now would you claim that Intel's hundreds of chipsets don't have thousands of different reported issues huh :rolleyes:

Why_MeI quoted someone who said nobody was buying Intel cpu's these days and I linked said poster to Scan which happens to be the largest PC hardware retailer in the UK. Some of you people either fail to read the post including the quotes are you flat out fail to read period.

Store promotional highlight, one sold and you already sell out all your senses.

R0H1TDidn't have any issues here! Now would you claim that Intel's hundreds of chipsets don't have thousands of different reported issues huh :rolleyes:

I'll back up his claim :p

Maybe it's a hot seller just because they have more than 10 in stock :slap:

Hi,
Funny no cpu cooler included is listed lol
Many bios bugs well asus is famous for that one so welcome to the hero w1z, but they do typically fix those eventually, seems beta bios are better than main stream bios now days :confused:

ThrashZoneHi,
Funny no cpu cooler included is listed lol
Many bios bugs well asus is famous for that one so welcome to the hero w1z, but they do typically fix those eventually, seems beta bios are better than main stream bios now days :confused:

bios bug is the proof is new processor , with a lot of news

MelvisWell they are considered the budget option now so the prices should be less or lowering, you always pay more for a premium platform which is clearly the AMD socket. I feel bad for people that bought into the latest intel socket for it to be dead 1 yr later and hoping the 11th Gen CPU's would be its saving grace, that didnt happen....and still get out passed by a older and questionably the best socket to ever be released. Anyone that jumped onto the AM4 socket in the B450/X470 time should be smiling big time having 4 gens of CPU's to play with and still be able to out pace intels latest and greatest 3yrs later on the same platform.

yes a powerfull 16 core with 3 year old motherboard , without wifi 6 , ethernet 2.5 , pci 4 , usb 20 g ...with no more bios for bug ...

compare Z390 disponibility and X370 X470 ..... i have 1600X and the only motherboard i can find is B450 stage 2 with nothing inside ....

R0H1TDidn't have any issues here! Now would you claim that Intel's hundreds of chipsets don't have thousands of different reported issues huh :rolleyes:

They do, just like any other tech piece, but this issue was quite more general and widespread across platform. Otherwise it would end up as agesa update as opposed to individual manufacturers update.

RaendorYeah, because so many people changed cpus on am4. Oh and what a premium platform that has usb issues, very premium. 11th will keep performing and won’t suddenly stop in 1 year. People that bought into b550 or even b450 should be felt sorry for as well, following your logic as it’ll be dead in one year. So much fanboy nonsense in one post.

I changed cpu's on AM4 3800X to 5800X and the USB issues already fixed via bios update.

RaendorThey do, just like any other tech piece, but this issue was quite more general and widespread across platform. Otherwise it would end up as agesa update as opposed to individual manufacturers update.

Intel does not use AGESA... or am I misunderstanding you?

R-T-BIntel does not use AGESA... or am I misunderstanding you?

You do. The issue with usb was amd overall, wheres with intel it’s usually specific-vendor related problem.

Feeling OK with 10gen 10600k

Release of 11gen should bring more.. but not soo :)

Anyway, was Intel policy during years. Many times they are "patching" previous generation in a new one, somehow comparable with care series "normal" and "facelift" :))

$175 11400F | $380 5600X

www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_11400f_processor_review,1.html

RaendorI absolutely enjoy my recent 11400f b560-i purchase coupled with 6800xt for 1440p high IQ gaming as I’m wondering now how much zen4 and alder lake with ddr5 will bring in terms of improvement over current generation. It might end up not that significant a girst-gen product on new platform. In that case I’d happily drop in 11700f later for cheap and maybe add some 32gb ram set instead of 16gb I keep using for now.

The Comet Lake/ Rocket Lake i5 chips are probably the best in value that you should consider for gaming, especially since you are using a RX 6800 XT, and therefore, I assume you are not gaming at 1080p or lower. The upgrade to an i7 or i9 may not give you the performance bump you are looking for, but at the same time, increase power consumption and heat output that you need to contend with.

A Ryzen 5 5600X to me is still the preferred CPU, but it costs too much over the likes of the Core i5 11400 and 11500. The difference however is that the 5600X is an unlocked CPU, and AMD's method unlike Intel don't artificially lock their users out of some useful features, and charge you a premium in order to get access to it. Because of this reason as well, it makes little sense for them to release a 5600 since it will essentially just cannibalise the sale of their 5600X.

Why_Me$175 11400F | $380 5600X

www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_11400f_processor_review,1.html

This is a bad comparison because the rightful competitor for the Ryzen 5 5600X is the i5 11600K. Like for like, both are unlocked CPUs. Of course the glaring problem is that AMD don't have a cheaper Zen 3 chip to compete with those locked Intel chips. But as mentioned in the response earlier, AMD don't lock their CPU out from overclocking, at least not at a CPU level. So having a 5600 will just serve to cannibalise the sale of their 5600X. So its either they reduce the prices of their 5600X, which I feel may not happen because of high prices of TSMC's 7nm in the wake of all these shortages.

watzupkenThe Comet Lake/ Rocket Lake i5 chips are probably the best in value that you should consider for gaming, especially since you are using a RX 6800 XT, and therefore, I assume you are not gaming at 1080p or lower. The upgrade to an i7 or i9 may not give you the performance bump you are looking for, but at the same time, increase power consumption and heat output that you need to contend with.

A Ryzen 5 5600X to me is still the preferred CPU, but it costs too much over the likes of the Core i5 11400 and 11500. The difference however is that the 5600X is an unlocked CPU, and AMD's method unlike Intel don't artificially lock their users out of some useful features, and charge you a premium in order to get access to it. Because of this reason as well, it makes little sense for them to release a 5600 since it will essentially just cannibalise the sale of their 5600X.


This is a bad comparison because the rightful competitor for the Ryzen 5 5600X is the i5 11600K. Like for like, both are unlocked CPUs. Of course the glaring problem is that AMD don't have a cheaper Zen 3 chip to compete with those locked Intel chips. But as mentioned in the response earlier, AMD don't lock their CPU out from overclocking, at least not at a CPU level. So having a 5600 will just serve to cannibalise the sale of their 5600X. So its either they reduce the prices of their 5600X, which I feel may not happen because of high prices of TSMC's 7nm in the wake of all these shortages.

The downside of the unlocked Intel 11 gen cpu's is the cost of the Z590 boards. There's a few cheap Z590 Asrock boards in the $150 - $170 range but they don't look like anything I'd trust to OC with.

watzupkenThe Comet Lake/ Rocket Lake i5 chips are probably the best in value that you should consider for gaming, especially since you are using a RX 6800 XT, and therefore, I assume you are not gaming at 1080p or lower. The upgrade to an i7 or i9 may not give you the performance bump you are looking for, but at the same time, increase power consumption and heat output that you need to contend with.

A Ryzen 5 5600X to me is still the preferred CPU, but it costs too much over the likes of the Core i5 11400 and 11500. The difference however is that the 5600X is an unlocked CPU, and AMD's method unlike Intel don't artificially lock their users out of some useful features, and charge you a premium in order to get access to it. Because of this reason as well, it makes little sense for them to release a 5600 since it will essentially just cannibalise the sale of their 5600X.


This is a bad comparison because the rightful competitor for the Ryzen 5 5600X is the i5 11600K. Like for like, both are unlocked CPUs. Of course the glaring problem is that AMD don't have a cheaper Zen 3 chip to compete with those locked Intel chips. But as mentioned in the response earlier, AMD don't lock their CPU out from overclocking, at least not at a CPU level. So having a 5600 will just serve to cannibalise the sale of their 5600X. So its either they reduce the prices of their 5600X, which I feel may not happen because of high prices of TSMC's 7nm in the wake of all these shortages.

Indeed, the spiritual competitor of 5600x is 11600k, but tests show again that 11400f without 65w power limit achieves same gaming performance with it being 100+ cheaper. I played rdr2 a bit already and even in Saint Denis with highest cpu load it doesn’t go above 100w. I’m much less impressed with rx 6800xt though which is a nightmare to tweak for lower power consumption and it seems to exhibit strange performance drops and low gpu usage all of a sudden. Beginning to miss my trusty gtx1080 that never had such issues.

lexluthermiesterIt not that they're worse perse, just that the improvements to not justify a full generational jump.

I am still plunking along on my 12-year XPS 730x PC. I hope the 11th Gen pricing-drop will also drive the 10th Gen pricing down or what's left over for sale. Love to have a 10-core and a Z490 board at way down and lower pricing. But it's wishful thinking perhaps.

Why_MeThe downside of the unlocked Intel 11 gen cpu's is the cost of the Z590 boards. There's a few cheap Z590 Asrock boards in the $150 - $170 range but they don't look like anything I'd trust to OC with.

There's really no point to getting an unlocked chip or a z series... The B560 chip now OC's ram and allows you to disable turbo caps, and there doesnt seem to be any headroom left on the chips for a daily driver build.

An 11700 and b560 or older Z490 boards would probably be the way to go. If you're in the "I want to spend $600 on a chip and $200 on a motherboard price range then the 5900x is the way to go every time". I would go for the 11900K if it was $350 and could pair well with a $160 board, but otherwise no way. The 6 core unlocked don't make any sense from a board perspective.