Friday, June 18th 2021

EU Changes VAT Rules for Imported Products; Everything to be Taxed Independent of Value

European Union residents are now looking at paying even more tax - in even more products - than before. Following changes to the EU tax policy, all products imported from outside that special political, economic and frontier union will be subject to the appropriate tax according to its nature. Until now, imports of value (or should we say declared value) lower than €22 were free from the bureaucratic and economic burden of taxation; however, that situation is about to change come July 1st.

Following abuses to that €22 declared value exemption, all imported products from July 1st 2021 will be subject to customs processing and taxation. The decision follows years of abuse, with customers and businesses declaring false, lower values for products so as to try and skirt any additional taxation. Of course, this creates a lopsided, uphill battle for EU-based manufacturers and distributors, who have to collect the appropriate tax upon all sales - whilst businesses outside the EU enjoyed more competitive pricing due to the absence of tax for the final customer. That is what this change aims to fight against. A shame for users and businesses that did follow the rules, who now face more higher pricing for small acquisitions at the expense of those who employed these tax evasion practices.
Source: World Customs Organization
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65 Comments on EU Changes VAT Rules for Imported Products; Everything to be Taxed Independent of Value

#51
Wirko
TomTomTomVAT is bad because it is not a progressive tax - the rich pay the same VAT% as the poor. i would've expected the EU to have progressive economics as opposed to regressive, "trickle-down" economics, which don't work and create monopolies. i guess socialism is alive and well in the EU (i don't live in EU and not in US)
How could VAT be progressive? Should the rate be based on how much you buy monthly? Should very rich people be (even more) discouraged from spending and rather hoard (even more)?

In fact, it is progressive, as food is taxed at a reduced rate, and often pharmaceuticals and books are, too. As far as I can check, it isn't much different in the US, but sales tax rates are much lower there.
Edit: There's at least one valid argument against reduced rates: that's how food and drug industry gets subsidised, not only the consumers.
silentbogoDream on. The reason EU decided to strengthen VAT enforcement, is because it's a big stream of tax revenue, not because it will miraculously increase internal manufacturing.
I can't argue with that, but why should only low-value imports from China, of all things, be left untaxed?
Edit: and even if those low-value imports accumulate to, say, a couple hundred €€€ every month?

(Not to mention that China subsidises shipping to other parts of the world, but miraculously, not from the other parts of the world to them.)
silentbogoJust a little example: back in a day I used to order running shoes every 2 years or so. One pair of Nikes is already past its 8th birthday and only needs a trip to shoemaker's workshop for heel padding replacement. Nowadays a typical pair of Nikes or NewBalances costs the same if not more( $60+ incl VAT for the cheapest pair in my area) but at least in my case lasts no more than 3-4 months.... everything falls apart except soles (and I no longer run or go to the gym). So, now I've switched to $15 "registered in Ukraine"(e.g. made in China) brand 'cause at least I have an expectation of it to last that much for the price (though it's already outlasting old shitty NB).
Warranty is a touchy topic, but the majority of reputable sellers on Aliexpress will honor warranty if you are willing to pay shipping to China (which in most countries is only viable for more expensive stuff).
I only have my anecdotal evidence, here it is:
2005: Asics GT 2100 running shoes, 115 EUR, made in China, good quality
2007: Asics GT 2120 running shoes, 125 EUR, made in China, good quality
2009: Asics GT 2140 running shoes, made in China, good quality
2010: Salomon hiking shoes, 80 EUR, made in Vietnam, fell apart soon (everything)
2012: Asics GT 2170 running shoes, 130 EUR, made in Vietnam, fell apart soon (mesh and heel padding)
Guess what I looked for when buying my next sports shoes.
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#52
Greenslade
FluffmeisterAt the end of the day someone has to keep those dodgy eurocrats in Brussels drowning in champagne and oysters.
I take it you are a leaver like me .You took the words out of my mouth.I am glad we are out.It is time those Remoaners moved on.
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#53
silentbogo
Wirko(Not to mention that China subsidises shipping to other parts of the world, but miraculously, not from the other parts of the world to them.)
Export is a big part of economics and contributes a lot to economic growth. Even then, these subsidies are already stretched to the limit and because of that quite recently they've introduced things like "combined shipping" : e.g. if you have several parcels from different sellers going through the same delivery service, they get combined into one box before going to Chinese customs. Caused quite a headache last week, since that was the first time I had to deal with customs under new laws and regulations. We spent several hours with local customs broker (rep. from parcel company), waited few days for approval, on the other end customs had to perform at least 1 hour of work detailing every item and comparing prices in shipping manifest, customs database, my receipts etc, then carefully pack everything back, and all of that crap for a measly ₴220 (equiv. €6.82) of additional tax money. Tell me how that makes any economical sense?... The only reason VAT isn't as effective as it should've been, is simply corruption and lack of enforcement on the highest level. We still have cargo ships and trucks in EU and CIS that move around, let's say, your ASICS valued at $2/ea in shipping manifest, or hi-end consumer electronics shipped as recycling material. Technically it's not even contraband, but it's worse than contraband due to the simple fact that these goods can be resold legally afterwards. That's the biggest multi-billion euro problem, not some odd couple millions of average Joes and Janes that skimped on few euros worth of VAT on Chinese new year.

Regarding second part: when you send something back - you are paying your local parcel service - that's who you should complain to regarding costs. Govt.-owned postal services are generally cheaper(in some cases on-par with China Post). For example a simple envelope or small documents package to Zone2 (NA, China, Mongolia) through Ukrposhta costs around $7-8. Same package through third-party will run as high as $50. I'm not even gonna mention FedEx, DHL and UPS, cause these guys have been so far up their asses for the past decade(at least regarding international deliveries), that you can't even make fun of their prices and quality of service.
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#55
Turmania
Well, I do not like taxes, but come on people stop buying from the piece of land, that is a threat to humanity and you and your children! pay a little bit more, have a piece of mind !
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#56
kayjay010101
WirkoGood to know! I see that in Norway, the future is now.
Many sellers on AliExpress ship from multiple warehouses and you have a choice to have stuff delivered from China or EU. Can I expect to pay for customs processing if I order from China, and not pay if I order from EU?
You (if you were in Norway) won't have to pay customs processing at all since it's all handled by AliExpress through the VOEC-program. What you see in the checkout is all you need to pay.
EU or China is irrelevant for the final price. They'll both cost the same if the product+shipping costs the same.
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#57
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
traskotAnd Amazon is ready to open bottles of Champagne!
Nah I’m in Norway and 80% of time I buy something Amazon their the tax+shipping costs the same or more than what I’m buying. I can’t even make use of Prime..Norway is in the EEA and many EU countries won’t even ship to me or else a very high tariff
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#58
Greenslade
TurmaniaWell, I do not like taxes, but come on people stop buying from the piece of land, that is a threat to humanity and you and your children! pay a little bit more, have a piece of mind !
Who does, and if your someone like Bezos he pays next to nothing.Anyone signed the petition to keep him in space.?
kayjay010101You (if you were in Norway) won't have to pay customs processing at all since it's all handled by AliExpress through the VOEC-program. What you see in the checkout is all you need to pay.
EU or China is irrelevant for the final price. They'll both cost the same if the product+shipping costs the same.
Talking about Ali Express i bought a Thunderbolt m2 case.I had to pay 25 pound customs charge.I understand that it should have had it was a gift on it as to not have to pay customs charges.I have been told i was unlucky to have been charged the custom charge.As it is the Thunderbolt m2 case is a good case and the full 40gb.It was a no name brand someone else on another forum said it was good so i got it.It cost 60 pounds a couple of years ago.
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#59
Greenslade
silentbogoExport is a big part of economics and contributes a lot to economic growth. Even then, these subsidies are already stretched to the limit and because of that quite recently they've introduced things like "combined shipping" : e.g. if you have several parcels from different sellers going through the same delivery service, they get combined into one box before going to Chinese customs. Caused quite a headache last week, since that was the first time I had to deal with customs under new laws and regulations. We spent several hours with local customs broker (rep. from parcel company), waited few days for approval, on the other end customs had to perform at least 1 hour of work detailing every item and comparing prices in shipping manifest, customs database, my receipts etc, then carefully pack everything back, and all of that crap for a measly ₴220 (equiv. €6.82) of additional tax money. Tell me how that makes any economical sense?... The only reason VAT isn't as effective as it should've been, is simply corruption and lack of enforcement on the highest level. We still have cargo ships and trucks in EU and CIS that move around, let's say, your ASICS valued at $2/ea in shipping manifest, or hi-end consumer electronics shipped as recycling material. Technically it's not even contraband, but it's worse than contraband due to the simple fact that these goods can be resold legally afterwards. That's the biggest multi-billion euro problem, not some odd couple millions of average Joes and Janes that skimped on few euros worth of VAT on Chinese new year.

Regarding second part: when you send something back - you are paying your local parcel service - that's who you should complain to regarding costs. Govt.-owned postal services are generally cheaper(in some cases on-par with China Post). For example a simple envelope or small documents package to Zone2 (NA, China, Mongolia) through Ukrposhta costs around $7-8. Same package through third-party will run as high as $50. I'm not even gonna mention FedEx, DHL and UPS, cause these guys have been so far up their asses for the past decade(at least regarding international deliveries), that you can't even make fun of their prices and quality of service.
Hi i don,t know why it is but my post on *Bank Transfer ebay uk to Germany*has been removed from the site?And all the times i posted on that forum.?
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#60
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
GreensladeHi i don,t know why it is but my post on *Bank Transfer ebay uk to Germany*has been removed from the site?And all the times i posted on that forum.?
was moved by mod to Lounge area
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#61
Greenslade
dorsetknobwas moved by mod to Lounge area
What is lounge area?
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#62
dorsetknob
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#64
Raven Rampkin
john_Until now (in Greece)
0 - 22 euros >>>>free
22 - 150 >>>> VAT plus custom expenses
150 and up >>>>> VAT plus custom expenses plus duties

From July 1st
0 - 150 euros >>>> ONLY VAT
150 and up >>>> VAT plus custom expenses
I think our national service overrode that.
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