You'd be stupid to be an early beta tester, ermm I mean sensible considered person. I have no intention of jumping on board until the first big update at the earliest, so H2 2022. I gonna sit back and watch the sh!t storm over the new UI, removed features, mandatory use of TPM, broken drivers, and see how much M$ backtracks on certain things.

HAHAHA, hey buy this of me for $200 or get it free in about 8-12 months, Fck it's a frigging no brainer, and that's even if a person is all that interested.

Doesn't matter when they're allowing people to upgrade from Windows 10, my PC's fate is sealed with no support for iPPT from Asus nor TPM available from local online shop. No more Windows for me from 2025.

Minus InfinityYou'd be stupid to be an early beta tester, ermm I mean sensible considered person. I have no intention of jumping on board until the first big update at the earliest, so H2 2022. I gonna sit back and watch the sh!t storm over the new UI, removed features, mandatory use of TPM, broken drivers, and see how much M$ backtracks on certain things.

plug in spare hard drive, dual boot both OS's. Free upgrade, and keep your reliable older OS.

I wish they has these features in develop pipeline before lunch:
- File Explorer "tabs". Can split 2 screens into left and right in the same Window (for management file easier).
- Stop using ribbon in File Explorer, make it leans like Windows 7 Explorer.
- Allow to stop Windows Update permanently
- Make Settings App complete, so user don't need to switch to Control Panel for non legacy configurations.




Update 2021-06-29
They've done it. (Ribbon gone!)

I hope they do a really good job testing it so that it doesn't mess people up.

beautylessI wish they has these features in develop pipeline before lunch:
- File Explorer "tabs". Can split 2 screens into left and right in the same Window (for management file easier).
- Stop using ribbon in File Explorer, make it leans like Windows 7 Explorer.
- Allow to stop Windows Update permanently
- Make Settings App complete, so user don't need to switch to Control Panel for non legacy configurations.

stopping windows update has always been possible by disabling the service, but its a terrible idea - anyone who lived through the XP days and the never ending malware and viruses spreading from outdated infected machines knows that

when even smaller windows 10 updates breaking things nowdays...
a whole new OS, i think it will take a year to get stable with all fixes and patches.

i hope its not like a mess like "cyberpunk 2077 " release.
i might as well ride on till 2025(end of win10 support) on windows 10..who knows. xD

Atomic77I hope they do a really good job testing it so that it doesn't mess people up.

Don't worry.... If you use it, you will.

The more I hear about Win 11 the bigger and deeper that pile of sh!t gets.
So If Win 10 updates (Some people can't control or turn that off you know) and suddenly you get Win 11, it's free right?
Or will it suddenly go into gimp mode saying the copy you have isn't legit and you need to buy a license..... Again?

And there's even more making the sh!tpile even deeper and stinkier too: Microsoft will force all Windows 11 laptops to have webcams in 2023
Who's to say before it's over with Win 11 or at least the next version of it won't try to force a webcam for ALL users; lappy, PC or otherwise?

The way all this is being done with Win 11 I woudn't put it past them.

Musselsplug in spare hard drive, dual boot both OS's. Free upgrade, and keep your reliable older OS.

That sounds like effort. If I dual boot it's to a Linux distro.

TPM requirement rules me out anyways. And not gonna go out of my way to look for TPM add-on to maybe get it to work lmao.

Considering it seems they only recently decided to rebrand 10X to 11, which was meant for newer systems with a focus on mobile, none of this seems surprising to me. This release seems like a mix of Windows ME, Vista, and 8, a test bed OS never meant to be released, an OS rushed out the door, and an OS with heavy focus on mobile, we will see at the end of the year and beginning of next if people have any interest in the OS or if it will fail to adopt like some of its predecessors.

Also am I the only one that thinks the white version of the desktop looks like Windows in Safe Mode? Or has that already been said?

Erm, where does it say that Windows 10 users can't upgrade for free until 22H1? It only says that rollout for current Windows 10 users starts then, I would presume this means MS won't be pushing this through Windows update until then. And they will do the rollout in stages like they've done with Windows 10 upgrades, so not everyone gets it at the same time. I'd expect that installation tool will become available with release, which allows you to upgrade your current install or create ISO/USB if you want to upgrade earlier.

Given the limitations and restrictions on Windows 11 use, they really can't expect to a revenue stream from the OS as a great many people either can't run the default configuration or will refuse to as the limitations a deal-breakers for various reasons. So giving it away for free is their only option.

The TPM & SecureBoot limitations & restrictions are quite possibly the most asinine level of controls ever attempted by an OS developer.

lexluthermiesterGiven the limitations and restrictions on Windows 11 use, they really can't expect to a revenue stream from the OS as a great many people either can't run the default configuration or will refuse to as the limitations a deal-breakers for various reasons. So giving it away for free is their only option.

The TPM & SecureBoot limitations & restrictions are quite possibly the most asinine level of controls ever attempted by an OS developer.

I think they no longer worry much about the revenue stream from selling copies of the OS, it's all about the user data. They did the same thing with W10, you can still install it and activate it with a valid W7 key.
As for TPM & SecureBoot - sadly I don't think many users are aware of what it is and will simply accept it.

ok? great? not like im going to upgrade for a while anyway until im sure its not a big heap of problems I dont need.

DeeveoErm, where does it say that Windows 10 users can't upgrade for free until 22H1? It only says that rollout for current Windows 10 users starts then, I would presume this means MS won't be pushing this through Windows update until then. And they will do the rollout in stages like they've done with Windows 10 upgrades, so not everyone gets it at the same time. I'd expect that installation tool will become available with release, which allows you to upgrade your current install or create ISO/USB if you want to upgrade earlier.

@btarunr could you verify this?

Atomic77I hope they do a really good job testing it so that it doesn't mess people up.

:slap: Of course they will! When haven't they? Oh...!

I'm so confused with this Windows 11 thing!

-Will there be an ISO file available for download or we just have to update through Windows update?
-What happens to my old friend FX8350 platform which has a TPM header which is running Windows 10 just fine?
-They're saying it's not officially supported so what happens if I install a TPM 2.0 module?
-What exactly "Not supported" means? Does it mean that a CPU like mine or from Ryzen 1000 series can't install it (which will be so stupid)
or they will not just receive any updates? which still will be very weird.

I will appreciate if someone shares some answers.
My guess is the whole Windows 11 release will be worst than Cyberpunk 2077 disaster.

Marshal_90I'm so confused with this Windows 11 thing!

-Will there be an ISO file available for download or we just have to update through Windows update?
-What happens to my old friend FX8350 platform which has a TPM header which is running Windows 10 just fine?
-They're saying it's not officially supported so what happens if I install a TPM 2.0 module?
-What exactly "Not supported" means? Does it mean that a CPU like mine or from Ryzen 1000 series can't install it (which will be so stupid)
or they will not just receive any updates? which still will be very weird.

I will appreciate if someone shares some answers.
My guess is the whole Windows 11 release will be worst than Cyberpunk 2077 disaster.

1. both
2. wont support W11
3. wont support it
4. no one knows

So more time for Microsoft to iron out bugs before upgrading. Sounds good.

So much BS thrown at Windows 11, yet in less than half a year absolute most users (including TPU'ers) will upgrade to it.

birdieSo much BS thrown at Windows 11, yet in less than half a year absolute most users (including TPU'ers) will upgrade to it.

Not if they keep TPM requirement lol.

birdieSo much BS thrown at Windows 11, yet in less than half a year absolute most users (including TPU'ers) will upgrade to it.

Eh, I feel like the only guy in the world that has less than a dozen complaints about it lol

NGL, I reinstalled Windows 10 just to start clean with the insider builds for 11 :laugh:

Marshal_90I'm so confused with this Windows 11 thing!

-Will there be an ISO file available for download or we just have to update through Windows update?
-What happens to my old friend FX8350 platform which has a TPM header which is running Windows 10 just fine?
-They're saying it's not officially supported so what happens if I install a TPM 2.0 module?
-What exactly "Not supported" means? Does it mean that a CPU like mine or from Ryzen 1000 series can't install it (which will be so stupid)
or they will not just receive any updates? which still will be very weird.

I will appreciate if someone shares some answers.
My guess is the whole Windows 11 release will be worst than Cyberpunk 2077 disaster.

I'd say to forget about all this until Windows 11 actually launches for the masses (2022). MS might adjust the requirements to be more or less strict.

And quite frankly, if you have to wonder whether your hardware supports it or not, I'd say you won't get anything nice from upgrading the OS.

Besides, Windows 11 brings basically nothing new to the table.

Microsoft has just release their Windows 11 Insider preview in Dev Channel Insider program.