TomorrowIf the speeds do not increase then all this extra space would be wasted. Even 1TB at SATA-III speeds is like pushing things trough a keyhole.

You are out of touch with what is fast and what is not. 1TB at SATA 3 speeds is very fast. You know some people still use 12TB HDDs at less than SATA 2 speeds and they are fine. For flash drive 50MB/s sustained is good and totally acceptable. And somewhere at 10-15 MB/s is acceptable speed (not for 1TB models).

TomorrowBigger and cheaper but not noticeably faster. The bigger size is of little use if the interface is the bottleneck getting things to and from the drive. And due to the speed bottleneck people are not moving around huge files on these drives

Keep saying that to yourself. Obviously 1TB SATA III SSDs are unusable:

TomorrowBut also faster, more durable and does not thermal throttle. The weight is a non issue at 53g. Thats 1/3rd of a normal smartphone weight. I dont see many people complaining that a 150g smartphone is heavy. So complaining about 53g seems silly.

That doesn't change anything about it being hideous and clearly overgrown for a simple USB stick. It's still as big as 3 or 4 USB sticks. It's not compact.

TomorrowEven a bigger moron transfering such small files manually instead over the network or wirelessly.

You can't always predict if there will be something like that and in my country absolutely nobody does that. You have a presentation, then you bring files. Obviously, you can use cloud, but that is if you want to show whole audience your email address and even then pray that network is stable. If not, you are screwed. Sorry, but hauling everywhere an aluminum radiator is moronic and so is relying on some network to transfer important stuff.

TomorrowYea and a 31€ NVME if the same capacity gets over a 1000MB/s.

Yea and you need an enclose just as expensive to make it usable.

TomorrowBoth bad deals. The Corsair one is also super old. Not to mention that these higher end USB drives are much bigger than their 30€ counterparts. And they likely still throttle.

Not really, Samsung is a good deal. That Corsair is the fastest that shops sell locally. And no Samsung Bar Plus is pretty much standard USB stick size.

TomorrowLike i said. M.2 SATA + MS10c is the same price. Even cheaper.

No you didn't, your solution is more expensive by 10 or 20 Euros.

TomorrowWith DIY NVME user can choose what port to use. With USB you're married to whatever the manufacturer decides to give you and using USB-C or other ports still requires a cable. Plus Silverstone literally has M.2 SATA enclusosures that have a rectractable USB-A connector that defeats your whole argument.

The problem with your argument is that there is no need and won't be any need to in 10 years to bitch about USB-A ports not being available. So you will never really need to use anything else or adapt it. And if there is a need for you, then there are adapters.

TomorrowBesides USB drives have gotten bulkier over the years. Try putting two of these side by side to a laptop that only has two USB-A ports or has one port already occupied by something else. Good luck with that. In that case a cable is actually the better solution rather than putting strain on the connector with the rest just hanging there.

No it's not, because those Samsung flash drives are quite small and not any bigger than old flash drives. Here's their marketing picture:


It's literally as big as USB-A connector itself and it's clearly not a problem connect them side by side.

MaxxUSB 3.0, or USB 3.1 Gen 1, or USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 - also known as 5 Gbps - is absolutely not 600 or 625 MB/s. It's using 8b/10b encoding so is, at most, 500 MB/s. In practice you have 10-15% overhead which caps you around 425-450 MB/s. USB 3.2 Gen 2 (assuming 2x1) is 10 Gbps with 128b/132b encoding, up to 990-1050 MB/s in practice.

Finally, someone who know what they're talking about. tyvm

The red spiritNot really. I locally can't find almost any case with C. The new case that I bought, the S400 Silencio doesn't have it. And here is a list of top selling cases in Lithuanian 1A shop:
Phanteks P400A - no C
NZXT H510 - has C
CM Q300L - no C
Fractal Meshify C - no C
Deepcool Matrexx 55 - no C
Silentium Signum SG1X - no C
Phanteks P360A - no C
Deepcool Matrexx 30 - no C
Fractal Mini C - no C
Jonsbo UMX1-Plus - no C


And here are top 5 most expensive cases sold in 1A shop:
Akasa Pascal TX IP65 - no C
In Win 915 - has C
CM C700M - has C
NZXT H1 - has C
Antec Torque - has C

Most popular cases don't really have USB-C, most expensive cases mostly have USB-C. I also noticed that all cases that have USB-C only have one port, which isn't very practical. So far USB-C is pretty much DOA, meanwhile USB-A thrives. And those most popular cases are not what most people will end up with, most of people will end up with cheaper cases that certainly don't have USB-C and sometimes barely have USB 3.0. I still don't understand what's the point of USB-C.

You've clearly not used a high end laptop in the last 4 years. My MBP has 4 USB-C/TB3 ports and my HP Spectre has two USB-C/TB3 ports and only 1 USB-A port. Both devices can be changed by my displays via a thunderbolt cable. So yes, you're right, if you're not considering the mobile space.

AquinusYou've clearly not used a high end laptop in the last 4 years. My MBP has 4 USB-C/TB3 ports and my HP Spectre has two USB-C/TB3 ports and only 1 USB-A port. Both devices can be changed by my displays via a thunderbolt cable. So yes, you're right, if you're not considering the mobile space.

They were talking cases. Most recent laptops do have at least one USB-C port, but it's not what the talk was about.
And yes, releasing cases in 2021 without at least one USB-C port is... strange.

Meh, after the first time I fell for their marketing...

Their first iterationnof Rage sticks feature only a small SLC cache. Afterwards speeds crawl to run-of-the-mill sticks...

AquinusYou've clearly not used a high end laptop in the last 4 years. My MBP has 4 USB-C/TB3 ports and my HP Spectre has two USB-C/TB3 ports and only 1 USB-A port. Both devices can be changed by my displays via a thunderbolt cable. So yes, you're right, if you're not considering the mobile space.

I don't use laptops at all. And for connector to be universal it has to be everywhere, not sometimes and in some places. USB-A is clearly dominating and will keep doing so for next 10 years, because there's almost no demand for USB-C as it's so anti-universal.

The red spiritI don't use laptops at all. And for connector to be universal it has to be everywhere, not sometimes and in some places. USB-A is clearly dominating and will keep doing so for next 10 years, because there's almost no demand for USB-C as it's so anti-universal.

Well, you can say USB-C is universal because everyone and their grandma has an adapter. But adapters are annoying.

bugWell, you can say USB-C is universal because everyone and their grandma has an adapter. But adapters are annoying.

No, they really don't have one. USB-C is still mostly uncommon and definitely something that you could honestly expect to be everywhere. And if you need adapter for it, then that defeats the whole purpose of USB-C existing.

TomorrowBig? M.2 2280 is smaller than most USB drives. Even smaller when using the 2230 standard. The enclosures are what make up most of the mass.
For TV there are better wireless standards instead of using USB sticks. Clearly the fast DIY ones are meant for people who run applications or OS from that stick.

... i dont have a single USB drive here even close to the length of a 2280 drive, and the NVME enclosures add length and width to them

I have a 128GB drive on my keys smaller the size of my thumbnail, and a 2230 wont help at all when the NVME enclosures dont come that small

bugThey were talking cases. Most recent laptops do have at least one USB-C port, but it's not what the talk was about.
And yes, releasing cases in 2021 without at least one USB-C port is... strange.

Not really strange. Most motherboards, even Ultra Deluxe models don't have more than one or two USB-C connectors. USB-A dominates rear IO.

Here's Asus board that is made from Jesus tears and Godzilla's jizz, it only has one USB-C port:
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-maximus/rog-maximus-xiii-apex-model/gallery

Similarly high end Gigabyte model, still one C port:
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z590-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10/sp#sp

Similarly high end Asrock model, still only one C port:
www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z590%20OC%20Formula/index.html#Gallery

My relatively cheap Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro also has a singe C port, meanwhile most truly cheap boards likely skip it entirely.