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Hello Patriout, this is 2007 calling, and we want all our slow, outdated, antiquated USB-A flash drives back, like, yesterday, hehehehe :)

...and takes advantage of 10 Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2, which it uses to offer sequential transfer rates of up to 600 MB/s, in the league of a SATA SSD.

600 MB/s isn't even USB 3.0 speeds. How is it taking advantage of USB 3.2 Gen 2?

Expensive. And I'm not a fan of moving parts either.

bonehead123No C...
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No excuses......

Hello Patriout, this is 2007 calling, and we want all our slow, outdated, antiquated USB-A flash drives back, like, yesterday, hehehehe :)

And to this day USB-C isn't all that universal. Pretty much no computer cases have it, nor anything else (other than phones). I personally still see no point in USB-C.

The red spiritAnd to this day USB-C isn't all that universal. Pretty much no computer cases have it, nor anything else (other than phones). I personally still see no point in USB-C.

Most (non ultra budget) cases made in the last 3-4 years have type-C

ShurikNMost (non ultra budget) cases made in the last 3-4 years have type-C

Not really. I locally can't find almost any case with C. The new case that I bought, the S400 Silencio doesn't have it. And here is a list of top selling cases in Lithuanian 1A shop:
Phanteks P400A - no C
NZXT H510 - has C
CM Q300L - no C
Fractal Meshify C - no C
Deepcool Matrexx 55 - no C
Silentium Signum SG1X - no C
Phanteks P360A - no C
Deepcool Matrexx 30 - no C
Fractal Mini C - no C
Jonsbo UMX1-Plus - no C


And here are top 5 most expensive cases sold in 1A shop:
Akasa Pascal TX IP65 - no C
In Win 915 - has C
CM C700M - has C
NZXT H1 - has C
Antec Torque - has C

Most popular cases don't really have USB-C, most expensive cases mostly have USB-C. I also noticed that all cases that have USB-C only have one port, which isn't very practical. So far USB-C is pretty much DOA, meanwhile USB-A thrives. And those most popular cases are not what most people will end up with, most of people will end up with cheaper cases that certainly don't have USB-C and sometimes barely have USB 3.0. I still don't understand what's the point of USB-C.

Blaylock600 MB/s isn't even USB 3.0 speeds. How is it taking advantage of USB 3.2 Gen 2?

600MB/s is less than 5gbps which is indeed less bandwidth than USB 3.2 Gen 1 (used to be 3.0) provides.
Another product that advertises using a modern interface but then doesn't actually use it...

I wonder if this is just a compact Msata to USB adaptor, 600MB/s screams SATA III SSD

And Cmon, USB 3.0 does 625MB/s in theory and never reaches that - this is at least, a 3.1+ device to sustain that

MusselsI wonder if this is just a compact Msata to USB adaptor, 600MB/s screams SATA III SSD

And Cmon, USB 3.0 does 625MB/s in theory and never reaches that - this is at least, a 3.1+ device to sustain that

USB drives are DOA as is anyway. Anyone willing to invest a little time can put together enclosure that is not much larger but has swappable NVME inside and the enclosure itselt offers 20Gbps bandwith. Even more when going the Thunderbolt route but that's expensive and requires addon card as most desktop PC's (motherboards) dont have TB ports.

TomorrowUSB drives are DOA as is anyway. Anyone willing to invest a little time can put together enclosure that is not much larger but has swappable NVME inside and the enclosure itselt offers 20Gbps bandwith. Even more when going the Thunderbolt route but that's expensive and requires addon card as most desktop PC's (motherboards) dont have TB ports.

Nah, those NVME drives are too big compared to regular USB sticks
Why do i need more than a basic USB 3.x drive for putting totally legally downloaded shows on my kids TV?

MusselsNah, those NVME drives are too big compared to regular USB sticks
Why do i need more than a basic USB 3.x drive for putting totally legally downloaded shows on my kids TV?

Also NVMe drives are expensive for what they are

MusselsNah, those NVME drives are too big compared to regular USB sticks
Why do i need more than a basic USB 3.x drive for putting totally legally downloaded shows on my kids TV?

Big? M.2 2280 is smaller than most USB drives. Even smaller when using the 2230 standard. The enclosures are what make up most of the mass.
For TV there are better wireless standards instead of using USB sticks. Clearly the fast DIY ones are meant for people who run applications or OS from that stick.

The red spiritAlso NVMe drives are expensive for what they are

Since current DIY iterations cannot utilize more than PCIe 3.0 speeds and that portable drives usally dont require multi-terabyte sizes i fail to see how those are much more expensive than slower all in one USB sticks.

ShurikNMost (non ultra budget) cases made in the last 3-4 years have type-C

USB-C on cases is only slightly more common than hen's teeth. Most recent motherboards, however, do sport a (single) USB-C connector.

I like the USB-C connector because it's smaller (and it's metal), but if you can't shrink the whole stick, it would be wasted on a flash drive.

TomorrowSince current DIY iterations cannot utilize more than PCIe 3.0 speeds and that portable drives usally dont require multi-terabyte sizes i fail to see how those are much more expensive than slower all in one USB sticks.

Except that they do require multi-terabyte sizes. Anything smaller than that is more easily "moved around" using Google Drive/Dropbox/whatever.

TomorrowSince current DIY iterations cannot utilize more than PCIe 3.0 speeds and that portable drives usally dont require multi-terabyte sizes i fail to see how those are much more expensive than slower all in one USB sticks.

Dude, it's not 2004 anymore. You can get USB stick with 64GB for 10 Euros or 128GB for 17 Euros. You won't be able to buy a quarter of NVMe drive for that.

bugExcept that they do require multi-terabyte sizes. Anything smaller than that is more easily "moved around" using Google Drive/Dropbox/whatever.

BS argment. Very few people are moving around terabytes of data on USB sticks. Those that need that kind of capacity use external drives (SSD's or even HDD's) not flimsy USB sticks that top out at 1TB with 114€+ prices while 1TB NVME M.2 costs 80€ and offers faster speeds.

The red spiritDude, it's not 2004 anymore. You can get USB stick with 64GB for 10 Euros or 128GB for 17 Euros. You won't be able to buy a quarter of NVMe drive for that.

17€ - With a fraction of the speed of the NVME drive. Or did you forgot to add that?
USB sticks have stagnated for years now.

But okay- let me give you some examples:
geizhals.eu/patriot-supersonic-rage-prime-250gb-pef250grpmw32u-a2553124.html
48€. Drive mentioned in this article. 250GB capacity and 600MB/s best case speed. Likey much less when transfering a bunch of small files (the achilles heel of integrated USB sticks since forever vs NVME).

geizhals.eu/silverstone-ms12-sst-ms12-a2481619.html
geizhals.eu/patriot-p300-256gb-p300p256gm28-a2237615.html

Total 88€. Same capacity but double the speed (but not double the price). And this is using one of the most expensive external enclosures. And user has a choice with a cable to use the USB-C or USB-A port where as the Patriot drive only offers USB-A.

There are cheaper ones by Silverstone that likely match or exceed the speed of the Patriot drive while costing roughly the same with the NVME included. Like this one: geizhals.eu/silverstone-ms10-sst-ms10c-71145-a2067336.html
Even cheaper than the Patriot drive when using SATA M.2 instead of NVME due to this enclosure not supporting NVME.

Now yes i aknowledge that DIY is not for everyone and that there is a market for ready to use solutions.
But dont come here telling me that these solutions are anything but slow stagnating tech and that people are moving around 1TB USB sticks.

Hardwarelxx also points this out in their review of the 1TB variant of this drive:

The prices for 1 TB USB sticks range from 140 euros to 280 euros without evaluating the performance, so the price is in the middle. For the same money, however, you can also get an external SSD, which is visibly larger, but can also be significantly more powerful.

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Blaylock600 MB/s isn't even USB 3.0 speeds. How is it taking advantage of USB 3.2 Gen 2?

I take it you've never actually placed a SATAIII SSD in a USB 3.0 5Gbps enclosure? Even with UASP, a Samsung 860 EVO in a USB 3.0/3.2/3.2 Gen 1 5Gpbs enclosure will only reach 425-450MB/s maximum do to overhead and this is consistent with numerous 3rd party reviews for various enclosures.... So 600MB/s IS taking advantage of the 10Gbps throughput...

On another note, I wonder what the random, low queue depth speeds on this device are and if it could compete with a mainstream SATAIII SSD

TomorrowBS argment. Very few people are moving around terabytes of data on USB sticks. Those that need that kind of capacity use external drives (SSD's or even HDD's) not flimsy USB sticks that top out at 1TB with 114€+ prices while 1TB NVME M.2 costs 80€ and offers faster speeds.

I don't think its BS at all. If people lug around that much data using external drives, clearly the need is there for bigger capacities. I don't imagine people would still carry external drives they could get bigger USB sticks at reasonable prices.

Tomorrow17€ - With a fraction of the speed of the NVME drive. Or did you forgot to add that?
USB sticks have stagnated for years now.

It's just an USB stick. It's as boring as going grocery shopping. Nobody cares if its fast, because it's still just an USB stick. It's cool if it's faster, not so much if you have to pay extra for that. And no USB sticks haven't stagnated, they are becoming much bigger and cheaper quite fast. That's kinda cool, but also not very useful if all you use it for is just some docx and pptx files.

TomorrowBut okay- let me give you some examples:
geizhals.eu/patriot-supersonic-rage-prime-250gb-pef250grpmw32u-a2553124.html
48€. Drive mentioned in this article. 250GB capacity and 600MB/s best case speed. Likey much less when transfering a bunch of small files (the achilles heel of integrated USB sticks since forever vs NVME).

geizhals.eu/silverstone-ms12-sst-ms12-a2481619.html
geizhals.eu/patriot-p300-256gb-p300p256gm28-a2237615.html

Total 88€. Same capacity but double the speed (but not double the price). And this is using one of the most expensive external enclosures. And user has a choice with a cable to use the USB-C or USB-A port where as the Patriot drive only offers USB-A.

That's nice and all, but that enclosure is huge and quite heavy when compared to USB stick. You also look like a moron when you have to transfer those PPTXs. Imagine carrying a block of aluminum, that's stupid. And on top of being a moron, you also end up paying 88 Euros for a 256GB USB "stick". Cheap USB sticks of that capacity go for 30 Euros and that already gets you up to 150MB/s speed, which is certainly not bad (stick in question is SanDisk Ultra Luxe 256GB). If you want something a bit more premium than that, you can pay 45 Euros for Samsung Bar Plus and get up to 300 MB/s, which is honestly pretty much all you need for drive of such capacity. And then for 70 Euros you can get SanDisk Extreme Pro SS, which has R/W speeds of up to 420/380 MB/s. And there is Corsair Voyager GTX for 84 Euros and has RW speeds up to 440/440 MB/s. And clearly the best value is Samsung Bar Plus 256GB, which is more than two times cheaper than your NVMe abomination. And unlike NVMe abomination, it has a very popular USB-A port instead of USB-C, about which nobody cares about and for which you will always need an adapter. That seems like an obvious win for Samsung Bar Plus.

TomorrowHardwarelxx also points this out in their review of the 1TB variant of this drive:

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In other words review says that there's no market for 1TB USB stick as hardly anyone will buy it and you are better off of just using your brain and using a proper long term storage device.

bugI don't think its BS at all. If people lug around that much data using external drives, clearly the need is there for bigger capacities. I don't imagine people would still carry external drives they could get bigger USB sticks at reasonable prices.

If the speeds do not increase then all this extra space would be wasted. Even 1TB at SATA-III speeds is like pushing things trough a keyhole.

The red spiritIt's just an USB stick. It's as boring as going grocery shopping. Nobody cares if its fast, because it's still just an USB stick. It's cool if it's faster, not so much if you have to pay extra for that. And no USB sticks haven't stagnated, they are becoming much bigger and cheaper quite fast. That's kinda cool, but also not very useful if all you use it for is just some docx and pptx files.

Bigger and cheaper but not noticeably faster. The bigger size is of little use if the interface is the bottleneck getting things to and from the drive. And due to the speed bottleneck people are not moving around huge files on these drives.

The red spiritThat's nice and all, but that enclosure is huge and quite heavy when compared to USB stick.

But also faster, more durable and does not thermal throttle. The weight is a non issue at 53g. Thats 1/3rd of a normal smartphone weight. I dont see many people complaining that a 150g smartphone is heavy. So complaining about 53g seems silly.

The red spiritYou also look like a moron when you have to transfer those PPTXs.

Even a bigger moron transfering such small files manually instead over the network or wirelessly.

The red spiritCheap USB sticks of that capacity go for 30 Euros and that already gets you up to 150MB/s speed, which is certainly not bad (stick in question is SanDisk Ultra Luxe 256GB).

Yea and a 31€ NVME if the same capacity gets over a 1000MB/s.

The red spiritAnd then for 70 Euros you can get SanDisk Extreme Pro SS, which has R/W speeds of up to 420/380 MB/s.
And there is Corsair Voyager GTX for 84 Euros and has RW speeds up to 440/440 MB/s.

Both bad deals. The Corsair one is also super old. Not to mention that these higher end USB drives are much bigger than their 30€ counterparts. And they likely still throttle.

The red spiritAnd clearly the best value is Samsung Bar Plus 256GB, which is more than two times cheaper than your NVMe abomination.

Like i said. M.2 SATA + MS10c is the same price. Even cheaper.

The red spiritAnd unlike NVMe abomination, it has a very popular USB-A port instead of USB-C, about which nobody cares about and for which you will always need an adapter. That seems like an obvious win for Samsung Bar Plus.

With DIY NVME user can choose what port to use. With USB you're married to whatever the manufacturer decides to give you and using USB-C or other ports still requires a cable. Plus Silverstone literally has M.2 SATA enclusosures that have a rectractable USB-A connector that defeats your whole argument.

Besides USB drives have gotten bulkier over the years. Try putting two of these side by side to a laptop that only has two USB-A ports or has one port already occupied by something else. Good luck with that. In that case a cable is actually the better solution rather than putting strain on the connector with the rest just hanging there.

They couldn't take an actually photo, they had to photoshop the logo on top for a product image? Seriously Patriot? Your devices are nice but this is discusting.

USB 3.0, or USB 3.1 Gen 1, or USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 - also known as 5 Gbps - is absolutely not 600 or 625 MB/s. It's using 8b/10b encoding so is, at most, 500 MB/s. In practice you have 10-15% overhead which caps you around 425-450 MB/s. USB 3.2 Gen 2 (assuming 2x1) is 10 Gbps with 128b/132b encoding, up to 990-1050 MB/s in practice.

bonehead123No C...
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Hello Patriout, this is 2007 calling, and we want all our slow, outdated, antiquated USB-A flash drives back, like, yesterday, hehehehe :)

Hmmm...nope. Most computers still have type A ports. New computers are not guaranteed to have type C, if they DO have it its not always 10 Gbps, and if it is its not always over USB, but rather over thunderbolt, which requires a different type of drive.

Gee I wonder why patriot made a drive that 99.9999% of all PCs can use instead of a drive that 1% of computers can use.

TomorrowIf the speeds do not increase then all this extra space would be wasted. Even 1TB at SATA-III speeds is like pushing things trough a keyhole.

Bigger and cheaper but not noticeably faster. The bigger size is of little use if the interface is the bottleneck getting things to and from the drive. And due to the speed bottleneck people are not moving around huge files on these drives.

But also faster, more durable and does not thermal throttle. The weight is a non issue at 53g. Thats 1/3rd of a normal smartphone weight. I dont see many people complaining that a 150g smartphone is heavy. So complaining about 53g seems silly.

Even a bigger moron transfering such small files manually instead over the network or wirelessly.

Yea and a 31€ NVME if the same capacity gets over a 1000MB/s.

Both bad deals. The Corsair one is also super old. Not to mention that these higher end USB drives are much bigger than their 30€ counterparts. And they likely still throttle.

Like i said. M.2 SATA + MS10c is the same price. Even cheaper.

With DIY NVME user can choose what port to use. With USB you're married to whatever the manufacturer decides to give you and using USB-C or other ports still requires a cable. Plus Silverstone literally has M.2 SATA enclusosures that have a rectractable USB-A connector that defeats your whole argument.

Besides USB drives have gotten bulkier over the years. Try putting two of these side by side to a laptop that only has two USB-A ports or has one port already occupied by something else. Good luck with that. In that case a cable is actually the better solution rather than putting strain on the connector with the rest just hanging there.

Man talk about moving goalposts and whataboutism. USB drives do perfectly well for 99% of consumers. You are approaching the argument from the direction of an enthusiast, a common mistake. Yes, a NVMe in an enclosure will offer higher speeds and higher endurance, but at a higher price, requiring you to put the drive together yourself, and is still bulkier. It's a good option for someone who needs to move several terrabytes quickly, but for those who just want a faster USB drive the patriot is a fine choice.

MusselsI wonder if this is just a compact Msata to USB adaptor, 600MB/s screams SATA III SSD

And Cmon, USB 3.0 does 625MB/s in theory and never reaches that - this is at least, a 3.1+ device to sustain that

It actually looks about the width same size. I have a msata drive with me.

I use my phone like a USB stick, it's got 1tb of storage with a 256gb microSD card but the 34mb/s max speed kills it for large transfers.

TheinsanegamerNYou are approaching the argument from the direction of an enthusiast, a common mistake.

Is it though? If there were no entusiasts we would still be using HDD's with AGP graphics cards behind our bulky CRT monitors. Enthusiasts have a place in the market. They are the first to adopt faster technologies and thus driving down the price for everyone else.

TheinsanegamerNYes, a NVMe in an enclosure will offer higher speeds and higher endurance, but at a higher price,

Like i said the price difference is small. 44€ for the cheapest enclosure that supports NVME drives and 31€ for the PCIe 3.0 drive itself (256GB). Price increase from USB is smaller than the performance increase. And 75€ USB will not get anything close to the NVME speed.

TheinsanegamerNrequiring you to put the drive together yourself, and is still bulkier. It's a good option for someone who needs to move several terrabytes quickly, but for those who just want a faster USB drive the patriot is a fine choice.

It would be intresting to see a poll. How many people are actually still using USB drives.

TomorrowIt would be intresting to see a poll. How many people are actually still using USB drives.

I still use a USB drive, a 32gb drive to install windows 10 and 256gb drive to transfer larger files. I mostly use my phone like a USB drive, it has the most size. The windows 10 USB stick also has the files I need like gpu drivers, wifi drivers for a laptop