Tuesday, October 12th 2021

First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday Makes Ryzen L3 Cache Latency Worse, AMD Puts Out Fix Dates

Microsoft on October 12 put out the first Cumulative Updates for the new Windows 11 operating system, since its October 5 release. The company's monthly update packages for Windows are unofficially dubbed "patch Tuesday" updates, as they're scheduled to come out on the second Tuesday of each month. Shortly after Windows 11 launch, AMD and Microsoft jointly discovered that Windows 11 is poorly optimized for AMD Ryzen processors, which see significantly increased L3 cache latency, and the UEFI-CPPC2 (preferred cores mechanism) rendered not working. In our own testing, a Ryzen 7 2700X "Pinnacle Ridge" processor, which typically posts an L3 cache latency of 10 ns, was tested to show a latency of 17 ns. This was made much worse with the October 12 "patch Tuesday" update, driving up the latency to 31.9 ns.

AMD put out a statement on social media, which surfaced on Reddit. The company stated that patches for the two issues have been developed, and specified dates on which they'll be released. The patch for the Preferred Cores (UEFI-CPPC2) bug will be released on October 21. Customers can request the patch even earlier. By "customers," AMD is probably referring to big enterprise customers running mission-critical applications on Threadripper or EPYC-powered workstations. The L3 cache latency bug will be fixed through the Windows Update channel, its release is scheduled for October 19.
If rumors surrounding the late-October/early-November launch dates of 12th Gen Intel Core "Alder Lake" processors are true, then the situation with these patches will have a direct impact on AMD. Processor reviewers will be compelled to use Windows 11 for their Core "Alder Lake" testing, as the new operating system supposedly has greater awareness of the heterogeneous core design. The switch to Windows 11 will force a re-bench of all processors, including the AMD Ryzen chips. With AMD cautioning of an up to 15% performance hit from the added cache latency and Preferred Cores bugs, results of AMD processors in 12th Gen Core launch reviews could be affected. It is advisable for AMD to reach out to the press with these patches immediately, if they are ready.
Source: destiny2sk (Reddit)
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157 Comments on First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday Makes Ryzen L3 Cache Latency Worse, AMD Puts Out Fix Dates

#151
B_Bang
Metroidlol, I bet a not yet released product, example, Intel alder lake must be running very smooth, a 12 months released cpu like amd ryzen 5900x has problems ehhe, I wonder where is the faulty here, amd or microsoft.
If anyone is to blame it's Microsoft working with intel to optimise for 12th gen Alder lake! How many $$$ are intel throwing MS way so that their new "big/little android" cpu's look better than AMD's?
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#152
bug
B_BangIf anyone is to blame it's Microsoft working with intel to optimise for 12th gen Alder lake! How many $$$ are intel throwing MS way so that their new "big/little android" cpu's look better than AMD's?
You do realize all Microsoft's Xbox eggs are in AMD's basket? Why would Microsoft do something to endanger that?
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#153
lexluthermiester
bugYou do realize all Microsoft's Xbox eggs are in AMD's basket? Why would Microsoft do something to endanger that?
Short answer is either they were ignorant to the AMD thing or they didn't think their statement through. Perhaps both.
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#154
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
bugYou do realize all Microsoft's Xbox eggs are in AMD's basket? Why would Microsoft do something to endanger that?
They have a big, big working relationship with Intel too.

They wouldnt deliberately trash AMD performance, but in a crunch when they have a deadline for Alder lakes release we know AL will get prioritized first and patches later.
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#155
bug
MusselsThey have a big, big working relationship with Intel too.

They wouldnt deliberately trash AMD performance, but in a crunch when they have a deadline for Alder lakes release we know AL will get prioritized first and patches later.
There we go again, "we all know"... :facepalm:
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#156
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
bugThere we go again, "we all know"... :facepalm:
Uh?
We do know that. There's been a few decades of it.
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#157
bug
MusselsUh?
We do know that. There's been a few decades of it.
There's been a few decades of "we know AL will get prioritized first and patches later"? Please, at least try to be coherent. It helps having a conversation.
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