CrAsHnBuRnXpToo bad there are too many morons in the world that still refuse to get vaccinated and people that still think it's a hoax.

In that case, we can only hope that Darwinism runs its course.

And Google.
www.engadget.com/google-cancels-ces-2022-in-person-plans-221822468.html

TotallyI disagree I'd argue a healthy dose of apathy is what we need data shows the new strain is less transmissable meaning it doesn't spread nearly as fast as what we've seen before. Authories should just monitor things and react accordingly instead of trying to scare people while demonstrating how incompetent they are.

Thats the thing here in the US, the government (with leftist media support) has blown this new strain so out of proportion that people are running to the hospital in droves with a runny nose, if not for the testing, than to reserve a ventilator they perceive will be needed.

TotallyI disagree I'd argue a healthy dose of apathy is what we need data shows the new strain is less transmissable meaning it doesn't spread nearly as fast as what we've seen before. Authories should just monitor things and react accordingly instead of trying to scare people while demonstrating how incompetent they are.

Yes, because apathy means monitoring the situation, but why bother with preparing at all? /s

Delta is still out there too.

TotallyI disagree I'd argue a healthy dose of apathy is what we need data shows the new strain is less transmissable meaning it doesn't spread nearly as fast as what we've seen before. Authories should just monitor things and react accordingly instead of trying to scare people while demonstrating how incompetent they are.

Do you have a source for that? From what I understand, Omicron is significantly more transmissible than previous strains, but less deadly. No coincidence that several countries and regions, like where I live (NYC), have been breaking case records. The new daily cases record has been broken four times in the last 7 days, so we’ll see what hospitalizations look like next week before saying anything about how dangerous the new variant is.

DeathtoGnomesThats the thing here in the US, the government (with leftist media support) has blown this new strain so out of proportion that people are running to the hospital in droves with a runny nose, if not for the testing, than to reserve a ventilator they perceive will be needed.

This is untrue. ICU beds are in much higher availability than they were in previous waves, across the US, and most of the occupancy isn’t Covid related (see John’s Hopkins stats).

You can blame “leftist media” (lol as if there were leftist media in the US — Bezos crushing unionization efforts in the US is not a leftist, NYT runs op-eds about how being anti-abortion, legalizing running over protestors, and advocating for straight up killing protestors is leftist?), but the reality is that getting tested when cases are increasing, especially asymptotic cases are increasing, is nothing but prudent.

If the current strain is less deadly to most people (all research so far shows it is), but more transmissible (all research says it is), than of course testing should increase, so that people who aren’t vulnerable to hospitalization don’t spread it to people who are.

The only one sounding the alarm here is scaremongers like you guys… Biden (“king” of the leftists), as much as I loathe him, was apt about it: if you’re vaccinated, Omicron is nbd, if not, you should be a little worried, but get vaccinated then, again, nbd.

Personally, if I were invited to CES I’d say nah, thanks, much like I did at my work party last week, which resulted in seven of my coworkers getting infected and three getting sick. None are hospitalized and all are experiencing mild symptoms, but I don’t want to infect others/spend more time isolating, so I’d rather not take the risk.

claesThis is untrue. ICU beds are in much higher availability than they were in previous waves, across the US, and most of the occupancy isn’t Covid related (see John’s Hopkins stats).

You can blame “leftist media” (lol as if there were leftist media in the US — Bezos crushing unionization efforts in the US is not a leftist, NYT runs op-eds about how being anti-abortion, legalizing running over protestors, and advocating for straight up killing protestors is leftist?), but the reality is that getting tested when cases are increasing, especially asymptotic cases are increasing, is nothing but prudent.

If the current strain is less deadly to most people (all research so far shows it is), but more transmissible (all research says it is), than of course testing should increase, so that people who aren’t vulnerable to hospitalization don’t spread it to people who are.

The only one sounding the alarm here is scaremongers like you guys… Biden (“king” of the leftists), as much as I loathe him, was apt about it: if you’re vaccinated, Omicron is nbd, if not, you should be a little worried, but get vaccinated then, again, nbd.

Personally, if I were invited to CES I’d say nah, thanks, much like I did at my work party last week, which resulted in seven of my coworkers getting infected and three getting sick. None are hospitalized and all are experiencing mild symptoms, but I don’t want to infect others/spend more time isolating, so I’d rather not take the risk.

Leftist owned media that constantly regurgitates the same news stories across most of the cable channels that use the same fearmongering keywords, especially making omicron to be worse than delta when it is not (like "the expected death toll will rise". I do believe vaccinations and testing are needed, just so you can get the correct treatment for whatever is making you feel like crap, afterall, I would hate to have to goto the hospital and have a kidney removed because I had cold symptoms (its happened, seriously).

IDK about anyone else, but if NYT runs an op-ed about legalizing running over protesters, idiots are taking it serious. Yea I'd call that leftist, cuz no moderate/rightist would write, let along post such a thing. I do agree that there are scaremongers among us, but thats diversity for ya. Political leanings dont affect our technical skill or ability to do what we do, only when it affects the human ability to have a decent conversation does it interfere here.

Should I referred to the ICU beds instead of respirators? :laugh:

tl;dr media is pushing omicron up a mountain. :rolleyes:

Honestly don’t know where to begin…

DeathtoGnomesLeftist owned media that constantly regurgitates the same news stories across most of the cable channels that use the same fearmongering keywords, especially making omicron to be worse than delta when it is not (like "the expected death toll will rise". I do believe vaccinations and testing are needed, just so you can get the correct treatment for whatever is making you feel like crap, afterall,

Do you read “leftist” media (I’d argue it doesn’t really exist outside of a few socialist magazines and maybe the nation or the Atlantic)? The vast majority says omicron is nbd, you just need a booster. Again, no fan of Biden, even he’s arguing that it’s nbd as long as you’re boosted, which aligns with current scientific consensus around Omicron…

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/africa/south-africa-covid-quarantine.html

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/south-africa-united-states-travel.html

www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/24/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests?name=styln-coronavirus&region=hub&block=storyline_live_updates_block_recirc&action=click&pgtype=LegacyCollection#new-york-quarantine-policy-covid

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/health/covid-omicron-delta-hospitalizations.amp.html

DeathtoGnomesI would hate to have to goto the hospital and have a kidney removed because I had cold symptoms (its happened, seriously).

I have no idea what this means, but sounds like an aberration to me, and less to do with the media than an individual doctor’s bad decisions… What scientific data/media outlet suggests removing a kidney is an effective Covid treatment? I think you’re reading scaremongering news outlets…

DeathtoGnomesIDK about anyone else, but if NYT runs an op-ed about legalizing running over protesters, idiots are taking it serious. Yea I'd call that leftist, cuz no moderate/rightist would write, let along post such a thing.

www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.amp.html

What party does Tom Cotton belong to? Wasn’t Trump calling to kill protestors? Since when did the left, ie the protestors, promote violence against protestors (left or right)? :kookoo:

DeathtoGnomesI do agree that there are scaremongers among us, but thats diversity for ya. Political leanings dont affect our technical skill or ability to do what we do, only when it affects the human ability to have a decent conversation does it interfere here.

What makes the right immune to bad ideas and scaremongering and the left susceptible? What does the word “reactionary” mean? Who thinks that kids are being indoctrinated by the gays and Muslims and CRT? Who is peddling conspiracy theories about Covid? Who engaged in a putsch to overturn election results due to alleged mass voter fraud? :wtf:

Don’t get me wrong — I think both political parties are terrible and that *all* news outlets engage in some form of fearmongering, but blaming one side over another is mistaking the trees for the forest (and mistaking one species of tree for another).

claesI have no idea what this means, but sounds like an aberration to me, and less to do with the media than an individual doctor’s bad decisions… What scientific data/media outlet suggests removing a kidney is an effective Covid treatment? I think you’re reading scaremongering news outlets…

I think you've taken that sentence out of context, meh, I get your point. :)

DeathtoGnomesLeftist owned media

Is pretty much the biggest myth in America.

AquinusIn that case, we can only hope that Darwinism runs its course.

It did in the Northeast part of the US last year. Meanwhile Florida is rocking! :)

I dunno if Florida having the 7th most Covid deaths per capita by state is “rocking,” but no point in arguing with someone in denial I guess

claesThe vast majority says omicron is nbd, you just need a booster.

What is that :wtf:

“No big deal,” as in less deadly than previous variants, even if more transmissible, which isn’t to say it’s not a problem (it is — more hosts = more mutations and possible hospitalizations)

I guess we'll find out in the next few weeks, but with so many variants already Covid's mostly old & kinda forgettable news these days. Obviously a lot depends on where you live, so YMWV.

R0H1TI guess we'll find out in the next few weeks, but with so many variants already Covid's mostly old & kinda forgettable news these days. Obviously a lot depends on where you live, so YMWV.

That is sort of the danger. It's not really forgettable until it burns out or we hit herd immunity via vaccine programs. Neither look to be in sight yet, unless Omicron is more interesting than anticipated and results in a burnout.

R-T-BIs pretty much the biggest myth in America.

Or anywhere right now.

DeathtoGnomesIDK about anyone else, but if NYT runs an op-ed about legalizing running over protesters, idiots are taking it serious. Yea I'd call that leftist, cuz no moderate/rightist would write, let along post such a thing.

I find that New York Times tends to have a pretty good take on things. It's definitely not as left leaning as a lot of other outlets. It's certainly no Huffington Post (which is a truly leftist outlet.) Hell, NYT is more moderate than people give them credit for. The reality is that the far right is so badshit crazy, that even moderate journalists look like leftists because of how polarized American politics are. Also, you have to take opinion pieces with grain a salt. That's why they're called opinions. All in all, I find that a lot of Americans can't critically analyze an article. Most people who label MSM as leftist tend to be people going in with some pretty strong biases already. A lot of these people will not change their mind regardless of the information, because if the information does match their biases, they'll label it as leftist. Most people who watch outlets like FOX or News Max are looking to confirm their biases, not to actually get factual information. These outlets pray on people's emotions. Now, people can say that's not the case, but more often than not, people searching for confirmation of their biases will not be willing to accept that their biases are driving their views and decisions.

With that said, most people with an open mind will be willing to read the NYT and take it for what it's worth. I do the same thing with The Hill which has a right slant to it because it gives a different perspective, which I think is important. If you avoid outlets like the NYT and The Hill, you're probably taking things to an extreme.

AquinusI find that New York Times tends to have a pretty good take on things. It's definitely not as left leaning as a lot of other outlets. It's certainly no Huffington Post (which is a truly leftist outlet.) Hell, NYT is more moderate than people give them credit for. The reality is that the far right is so badshit crazy, that even moderate journalists look like leftists because of how polarized American politics are. Also, you have to take opinion pieces with grain a salt. That's why they're called opinions. All in all, I find that a lot of Americans can't critically analyze an article. Most people who label MSM as leftist tend to be people going in with some pretty strong biases already. A lot of these people will not change their mind regardless of the information, because if the information does match their biases, they'll label it as leftist. Most people who watch outlets like FOX or News Max are looking to confirm their biases, not to actually get factual information. These outlets pray on people's emotions. Now, people can say that's not the case, but more often than not, people searching for confirmation of their biases will not be willing to accept that their biases are driving their views and decisions.

With that said, most people with an open mind will be willing to read the NYT and take it for what it's worth. I do the same thing with The Hill which has a right slant to it because it gives a different perspective, which I think is important. If you avoid outlets like the NYT and The Hill, you're probably taking things to an extreme.

Probably why the NYT settled with Nick Sandmann out of court, why they're being sued by Kyle Rittenhouse, just lost a court battle to Project Veritas lest we forget they won a Pulitzer Prize for pushing the bogus Russia collusion hoax for well over two years. The NYT is very slanted and very slimy.

Why_MePulitzer Prize for pushing the bogus Russia collusion hoax for well over two years.

I'm pretty sure that the determination on that is still outstanding and that the amount of obstruction regarding that investigation is a tell tale sign that something was being hidden by the Trump administration. I wasn't going to go there and this isn't the forum for that, but if you want to talk about slimey, you don't have to look further than the accused. Either way, being hyperbolic isn't going to make you any more correct. It just goes to show that you're a prime example of what I was talking about.

With that said, this is about CES and companies pulling out because of COVID, not American politics. Let's save that for another forum.

AquinusI'm pretty sure that the determination on that is still outstanding and that the amount of obstruction regarding that investigation is a tell tale sign that something was being hidden by the Trump administration. I wasn't going to go there and this isn't the forum for that, but if you want to talk about slimey, you don't have to look further than the accused. Either way, being hyperbolic isn't going to make you any more correct. It just goes to show that you're a prime example of what I was talking about.

With that said, this is about CES and companies pulling out because of COVID, not American politics. Let's save that for another forum.

Everything I posted was fact and can easily be verified. That's how that works.

Why_MeEverything I posted was fact and can easily be verified. That's how that works.

Last time I checked, the Muller investigation turned up an excessive amount of obstruction. But as I said before:

AquinusWith that said, this is about CES and companies pulling out because of COVID, not American politics. Let's save that for another forum.

You brought the NYT being an unbiased news source into this discussion not me. Try again.

Why_MeProbably why the NYT settled with Nick Sandmann out of court, why they're being sued by Kyle Rittenhouse, just lost a court battle to Project Veritas lest we forget they won a Pulitzer Prize for pushing the bogus Russia collusion hoax for well over two years. The NYT is very slanted and very slimy.

Yeesh, tell me you spend your time reading far right conspiracy theorists without telling me you spend your time reading far right conspiracy theorists

I'll politely ask people to refrain from insulting others (especially those who may not benefit from, or be able to take a vaccine, even though they may be a minority).
Similarly, posting politically motivated posts, is not allowed, i.e., 'person 'x' is a lefty/righty asswipe'.

On that basis, please continue but points will follow if folks want to continue to poison the well.

Why_MeYou brought the NYT being an unbiased news source into this discussion not me. Try again.

I believe what I actually said was:

AquinusI find that New York Times tends to have a pretty good take on things. It's definitely not as left leaning as a lot of other outlets. It's certainly no Huffington Post (which is a truly leftist outlet.) Hell, NYT is more moderate than people give them credit for.

I never said NYT is unbiased. I said it's not as far left as many people imply. Please don't put words in my mouth. I was calling out your comment about:

Why_MeThe NYT is very slanted and very slimy.

Which is inaccurate. With that said, give me some examples of outlets with a better reputation than the NYT, Washington Post, or The Hill. They're all fairly close to the middle of the spectrum, albeit with some level of slant one way or another. You also brought up:

Why_MeEverything I posted was fact and can easily be verified. That's how that works.

Since you don't seem to trust any of the reputable news sources that I mentioned, I'd be very interested in seeing what you consider reputable. How about you provide some sources so we can find out how "unbiased" your sources are.