Tuesday, January 4th 2022

AMD CES 2022 Liveblog: Zen 3+, RDNA2 IGP, 6nm, RX 6500 XT, AM5, Zen 4 and More

Although physically away from the 2022 International CES, AMD is hosting a virtual press event to announce many new consumer products. The year's biggest tech-show allows AMD to talk about its latest, and next-generation architectures, the products it has in store for 2022, as well as introduce new technology. We expect the company to unveil "Zen 4" from a consumer perspective, its next-generation mobile processors, and much more. Stay tuned as we live-blog the event as it unfolds.

15:01 UTC: Straight away we see some big new model names:
15:02 UTC: CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centrestage.
15:02 UTC: AMD is everywhere:
15:03 UTC: This is going to be a PC-focused event.

15:03 UTC: AMD posts growth in the PC segment.
15:04 UTC: A trailer of what's to come.
15:05 UTC: AMD announcing next-gen Ryzen mobile processors, the Ryzen 6000 mobile processors
15:06 UTC: Zen 3+ CPU cores, RDNA2 graphics, 6 nm fabrication, PCIe Gen 4.

15:06 UTC: First performance claims. A massive 30% performance gain over Ryzen 5000 based on Zen 3:
15:07 UTC: Zen 3+ and 6 nm coming together for a 30% performance gain
15:08 UTC: Ryzen 6000 debuts Microsoft Pluton PSP.
15:08 UTC: 24 hours of use thanks to 6 nm
15:08 UTC: We'll finally know what the Zen 3+ secret sauce is about.

15:09 UTC: 15 new power management features that effectively blunt the hybrid core advantage?
15:10 UTC: P-core and E-core in the same core. Zen 3+ operates in E-core like power bands.

15:11 UTC: Astonishing performance gains
15:11 UTC: 30% lower power thanks to the new power management, and 6 nm node gains
15:12 UTC: AMD claims fastest iGPU crown, leveraging RDNA 2 graphics architectures: 768 stream processors, Ray tracing confirmed!
15:13 UTC: True 1080p AAA gaming. Smokes competition.
15:14 UTC: Beat MX450 dGPU.

15:14 UTC: First iGPU to leverage FidelityFX Super Resolution.

15:14 UTC: FSR enables iGPU-only 59 FPS with Far Cry 6 at 1080p!
15:16 UTC: Connectivity includes USB4 (40 Gbps), DisplayPort 2, DDR5, PCIe Gen 4, DDR5/LPDDR5 memory, and WiFi 6E/BT 5.2
15:18 UTC: Lisa Su introduces various OEMs integrating this chip, starting with the Lenovo ThinkPad Z
15:19 UTC: Over 200 gaming notebook designs in the works.
15:19 UTC: First notebooks this February

15:19 UTC: We now move on to updates to Radeon mobile GPUs

15:20 UTC: FreeSync continues to rock, with over 2000 display models

15:21 UTC: FSR now spans over 45 games:
15:22 UTC: Radeon RX 6000S, designed for low-power and compact gaming notebooks:
15:23 UTC: Even more models for the mainstream gaming
15:23 UTC: New GPU models:
15:24 UTC: Radeon RX 6500 XT for desktop, with 2.60 GHz engine clocks:
15:25 UTC: Performance claims for the RX 6500 XT:
15:25 UTC: Prices start at $199 in fantasy lands.
15:27 UTC: New generation Adrenalin software incoming.

15:28 UTC: FSR now works with every game. Radeon Super Resolution.
15:29 UTC: New Gen Adrenalin coming within Q1-2022. Privacy View is an interesting new feature, it uses eye-tracking to blur portions of the screen using shaders.
15:30 UTC: AMD finally catching up to Intel in co-engineering of products;
15:31 UTC: Smart Shift MAX, boosts performance by roping in the iGPU. Smart Shift ECO turns off your dGPU to stretch battery life.
15:33 UTC: Smart Access Graphics, 15% improved framerates when hybridizing 3D rendering.
15:34 UTC: Alienware AMD Advantage Edition:
15:35 UTC: ASUS Zephyrus G14 next-gen:
15:35 UTC: Ryzen 5000X3D based on Zen 3 with 3D Vertical Cache:
15:38 UTC: Here it is! Based on AM4
15:38 UTC: Stunning gaming performance gains, is AMD closing the gap with Intel
15:40 UTC: Core i9-12900K gaming performance matched!

15:40 UTC: Available from Spring

15:40 UTC: Zen 4 is the next big step, based on 5 nm

15:41 UTC: Here it is!
15:41 UTC: AM5 platform:
15:41 UTC: Halo Infinity shown runing on a Zen 4 protoype. Coming in H2-2022.

15:42 UTC: AMD's 2022 for the client segment:
15:43 UTC: That's all, folks!

The full AMD presentation decks are below, Ryzen processors first, then Radeon:
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66 Comments on AMD CES 2022 Liveblog: Zen 3+, RDNA2 IGP, 6nm, RX 6500 XT, AM5, Zen 4 and More

#51
DemonicRyzen666
What's the point of doing a 5950x or 5900x when they have two chiplet dies there is no way to keep that data from going to the other die, causing degrading performance.
this 5800x3D is a good upgrade for anyone who has a 5600x or lower say 3700x 2700x.
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#53
LemmingOverlord
HD64GOnly one CPU with 3D cache and that, with 8 cores! They even hold the core clocks and W down as to the 5800X to allow Zen4 CPUs to seem an even bigger jump in performance with their 5GHz all-core clocks and improved IPC. As for RX5500XT, availability will make it or brake it. For 1650Ti performance and low power draw (~100W), the $200 price would be decent ONLY if it stays there. At least for the near future, good gaming without spending a fortune will be had through consoles, mobile or APUs.
I think the reason they went with the 5800X is that the production run for 3D Cache in the 5000-Series will be limited (they'll invest more 3D vCache in the Ryzen 7000). 5800X is the highest-performing single CCX/monolithic die out there, so if they were to release a 5900X3D, it would take up two dies with 3D vCache, which would mean they'd make half the CPUs. If push comes to shove, they can issue an extra special limited edition 5900X3D of some sort that will absolutely annihilate everything Intel currently has on desktop, bar Threadripper (which no one seems to be talking about because AMD seems to have stopped talking about it too)

Ryzen 7000 is all 3D vCache anyway, judging by the new IHS on top of the package, and it's slated for (my guess) September. Intel won't bring anything out in the meantime, so it's all very much a bland CES.

Agree on 6500XT. If it can sell for $200, it'll disappear off the virtual shelves in seconds. In the UK we're finding the 1650 for about $400 and higher. Newegg (US pricing) is selling these cards for $360.

Shit time to be in PC gaming.

PS: Did anyone figure out if 5800X3D is on the same process as 5000-series or 7000-series? AMD slides say they're on different processes
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#54
Chomiq
XuperDid I hear Zen 4 with 5ghz on all cores ?
Single core.
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#55
Xuper
ChomiqSingle core.
Source ? Many people said All cores. even 5950X golden can reach 5.1ghz on single core.
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#56
Chomiq
XuperSource ? Many people said All cores. even 5950X golden can reach 5.1ghz on single core.
To clarify:

The "5 GHz" was not related to Zen4, it was in regards to Ryzen 6000, which are Zen3+, and yeah it was "Single core, single thread".
Source:
youtu.be/ktZ6pyTJi7o?t=356
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#57
Melvis
TheinsanegamerNSo 6 years of waiting, and we get a 5500xt with a gimped 4GB 64 bit bus with a 6500xt nameplate for the same price as a RX 480 in 2016. After stating in 2020 that the 4GB GPU was "dead".

I think we need to rename "finewine" to "sour grapes". Cmon, intel kick AMD's arse with the A380 please.
Here is your A380
axaro1I just laughed looking at my B350 the moment Lisa Su said "Zen 3D Supported by the AM4 platform" like she didn't just put my fellow 300 chipset owners(except OEM's A320) in the planned obsolescence bin to force us to buy B550/X570 and upgrade to a borderline EOL socket.
Rule of thumb is never buy into a brand new platform, version 1, wait for version 2 at least and you would of been right, just think if you was on an Intel system from back then you be even more screwed!
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#58
Xuper
ChomiqTo clarify:

The "5 GHz" was not related to Zen4, it was in regards to Ryzen 6000, which are Zen3+, and yeah it was "Single core, single thread".
Source:
youtu.be/ktZ6pyTJi7o?t=356
Wrong !
She said ( Time 40:11 ) :
I can you tell you that all of those Zen 4 cores are running at 5 gigahertz during this demo.this is next generation of gaming and PC experiences from amd
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#59
HD64G
ChomiqSingle core.
All-core @5GHz as Liza said on the video about the Halo demo on Zen4.
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#60
Vya Domus
SaLaDiN666Intel has separate dies
Intel needs separate dies because it would financially cripple them if they had to repurpose giant 600mm^2+ slabs of silicon just to get an 8 core CPU to consumers. It is actually laughable that they need to do this, this isn't something to boast about, it shows that they are stuck on archaic manufacturing processes. And just so you know Intel is moving to chiplets as well, so very soon you will also have the privilege to buy rejected trash from Intel as well.

Also, the reason AMD uses chiplets is precisely so that they don't have to repurpose rejected dies from servers, they are so small that most of them are functional and it doesn't matter whether they end up in consumer or server products. Goes to show what level of catastrophic lack of knowledge you have on this subject.
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#61
Makaveli
TotallyNo 12 core part, super disappointing.
Will still be an upgrade for you coming from Zen 2.

I had your chip and went to a 5800X and it was noticeably faster. Add another 15% on top of that and its going to be like 30-35% faster than what you are currently on.
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#62
seth1911
If AMD was below Intel and Nvidia they had more RAM on the GPU, now they are on pair with Intel and think they can follow the low RAM tactic which was Nvidia use.
And now Nvidia have even more.
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#63
mechtech
"15:13 UTC: True 1080p AAA gaming. Smokes competition."

Intel integrated??? ;)
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#64
axaro1
MelvisRule of thumb is never buy into a brand new platform, version 1, wait for version 2 at least and you would of been right, just think if you was on an Intel system from back then you be even more screwed!
Same reason why I'll never buy first gen AM5 or B550/X570(s) for a borderline EOL socket.
ADL seems like better value in terms of raw performance, also when Raptor Lake will face AM5 I'll most likely be able to save my DDR4 kit if I go for Intel.
What's Amd strategy here?
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#65
Makaveli
axaro1Same reason why I'll never buy first gen AM5 or B550/X570(s) for a borderline EOL socket.
ADL seems like better value in terms of raw performance, also when Raptor Lake will face AM5 I'll most likely be able to save my DDR4 kit if I go for Intel.
What's Amd strategy here?
ADL is also a 1st gen platform
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#66
sillyconjunkie
Pretty sure the whole 3D cache thing is gonna be niche. Zen4 looks interesting. Best I can tell the two-core types in one core is all about variable clock and power ramps (along with scheduling changes, I assume)

All of the new external ceramic package transistors are probably to shunt core voltage. Gonna make for a warm package/socket. I wouldn't use liquid metal or conductive paste on that IHS..
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