Saturday, March 12th 2022

TP-Link Said to be Sharing all Router Traffic with Third Party

These days, routers are quite complex devices that are doing much more than just routing data and are often the main security device on a home network. As such, we've seen a surge in third party services such as Asus' AIProtection that runs software from Trend Micro and Netgear Armor in cooperation with Bitdefender. Chinese TP-Link is likewise offering similar services, some in partnership with Trend Micro and some with Avira. It now appears that TP-Link's HomeCare service—that the company is offering in partnership with Avira—is sending data to Avira even when disabled in the UI, based on a thread over at Reddit.

The standard Avira features are meant to offer protection against malicious content, network intrusions and even against infected devices on the network that are said to be quarantined from other devices on the network. It also incorporates some basic parental control features, such as automatic content filtering and time controls. However, in this case, the issue isn't the functionality itself, but the fact that there apparently is no way to turn off the HomeCare feature, since even when seemingly disabled in the UI of the affected routers, it sends data to Avira. It seems to be a fairly large amount of data being sent as well, with the initial poster claiming over 80,000 requests in a 24 hour period. According to a review of a TP-Link product over on XDA-Developers from May last year, TP-Link said that they were working on a firmware update that would allow the Avira service to be turned off permanently.
However, it seems like no such option has materialized in close to a year since that comment from TP-Link and although it seems the data that is being sent is intended for Avira to use to improve their services, it also seems to go against the European GDPR rules to send user data to a third party, especially without the users consent. Back to Reddit, the poster contacted TP-Link, who claimed that the data sent was to check if the owner of the router had an active service with Avira or not, but this sounds rather preposterous considering that it wouldn't require 80,000 requests per day. To put it in a different context, that's close to once a second.

Multiple people on Reddit have chimed in saying that they're seeing exactly the same thing. Trying to block the requests isn't an option either, as this causes the routers in question to get stuck in a retry loop, which in turn leads to CPU usage spikes and causes issues with the general usage of the routers in question. Other users tried signing up for the trial of the paid-for service, but didn't see any changes in behavior, regardless if the service was enabled or disabled. The only slightly positive note on all of this is that Avira is a German company and could potentially be forced to amend how its service works based on the European GDPR regulation. However, it would still be up to TP-Link to issue a firmware release to the 13 or so routers that run the Avira service. Most of the routers are recent 802.11ax/WiFi 6 models and about half are part of TP-Link's Deco series of mesh systems.
Sources: Reddit, TP-Link HomeCare, XDA-Developers
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90 Comments on TP-Link Said to be Sharing all Router Traffic with Third Party

#76
TheLostSwede
News Editor
markhodges78I have a tp-link ax1800 can I put OpenWRT this router
Have you had a look at the OpenWRT website? They have a database of supported hardware.
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#77
lexluthermiester
markhodges78I have a tp-link ax1800 can I put OpenWRT this router
ThaiTaffyDepends on the exact model number but if not OpenWRT possibly DD-wrt take a look here openwrt.org/toh/start
That model is not supported by the OpenWRT project.
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#78
markhodges78
Yes I have looked at 5 different 3rd party firmware and it looks like none of them support any of the ax routers... just thought I'd ask incase someone knew something different

Thanks Mark
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#79
lexluthermiester
markhodges78Yes I have looked at 5 different 3rd party firmware and it looks like none of them support any of the ax routers... just thought I'd ask incase someone knew something different

Thanks Mark
Sorry mate, wish there was a better answer for you.
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#80
ThaiTaffy
markhodges78Yes I have looked at 5 different 3rd party firmware and it looks like none of them support any of the ax routers... just thought I'd ask incase someone knew something different

Thanks Mark
You could try the OpenWRT forums you might find a developer willing to help port firmware for you especially if there's a high enough demand from others.
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#81
markhodges78
It's cool I just purchased it from Amazon and I'm probably going to send it back... it was supposed to be able to do bandwidth control per device but it can't it can only prioritize using qos.. not what I need
ThaiTaffyYou could try the OpenWRT forums you might find a developer willing to help port firmware for you especially if there's a high enough demand from others.
There's an idea
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#82
lexluthermiester
ThaiTaffyYou could try the OpenWRT forums you might find a developer willing to help port firmware for you especially if there's a high enough demand from others.
markhodges78There's an idea
The problem is hardware support. If the drivers for the chipsets are not open source, OpenWRT and others simply don't have anything they can build on. What would be easier is to select a router that is supported, find one on Ebay or Amazon and then sell your existing router.
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#83
ThaiTaffy
lexluthermiesterThe problem is hardware support. If the drivers for the chipsets are not open source, OpenWRT and others simply don't have anything they can build on. What would be easier is to select a router that is supported, find one on Ebay or Amazon and then sell your existing router.
Ahh didn't realize it was broadcom sadly @markhodges78 your unlikely to get any 3rs party firmware for the device your probably better off as you said returning the router and looking at openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_16128_ax-wifi if it's ax your after
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#84
madphonezlab
I guess no one has cracked the AX1800 open yet, but it has OpenWRT on it already. 12.09-rc1 (Attitude Adjustment)
Dead opkg update link >> downloads.openwrt.org/attitude_adjustment/12.09-rc1/model_brcm_bcm490x/generic/packages/Packages.gz
Busybox v1.19.4
Ash shell
And a screenshot for anyone wondering.
On that note, for any yokel who said that OpenWRT is not supported on the AX1800, then tell me what I'm looking at, Why you didn't do what I did, and why the heck are you claiming you know anything??
It may not be on their site, but its sure as heck supported!!
For those froggy enough, 115200-8-N-1-N
Pins, starting from the one closet to the USB port Rx,Tx,Gnd
--4th pin not used.

Updating to the latest version, now thats another story.
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#85
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
madphonezlabI guess no one has cracked the AX1800 open yet, but it has OpenWRT on it already. 12.09-rc1 (Attitude Adjustment)
Dead opkg update link >> downloads.openwrt.org/attitude_adjustment/12.09-rc1/model_brcm_bcm490x/generic/packages/Packages.gz
Busybox v1.19.4
Ash shell
And a screenshot for anyone wondering.
On that note, for any yokel who said that OpenWRT is not supported on the AX1800, then tell me what I'm looking at, Why you didn't do what I did, and why the heck are you claiming you know anything??
It may not be on their site, but its sure as heck supported!!
For those froggy enough, 115200-8-N-1-N
Pins, starting from the one closet to the USB port Rx,Tx,Gnd
--4th pin not used.

Updating to the latest version, now thats another story.
You know this is from march right, and things like OpenWRT support change over time?

For a first post, you've come in aggressive over nothing.
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#86
lexluthermiester
MusselsYou know this is from march right, and things like OpenWRT support change over time?

For a first post, you've come in aggressive over nothing.
I'm going to respond because the comment Mr. Shadow account has posted seems clearly directed.
madphonezlabI guess no one has cracked the AX1800 open yet, but it has OpenWRT on it already. 12.09-rc1 (Attitude Adjustment)
Notice the "rc1" in that version number? Yeah, that stands for "release candidate", otherwise commonly known as experimental software in testing. Furthermore...
madphonezlabDead opkg update link >> downloads.openwrt.org/attit...del_brcm_bcm490x/generic/packages/Packages.gz
...the reason that the link is dead and has NOT been replaced with something newer is very telling. This usually indicates that the dev team can not make it work. Why? Because the drivers for the hardware are NOT open source. As such the dev team can not make the software work properly.
madphonezlabIt may not be on their site, but its sure as heck supported!!
No, it is not. It's been removed, therefore it is NOT supported.
madphonezlabOn that note, for any yokel who said that OpenWRT is not supported on the AX1800, then tell me what I'm looking at, Why you didn't do what I did, and why the heck are you claiming you know anything??
You were saying?
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#87
chrcoluk
No link to the reddit thread? I think the source should be linked. :)
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#88
Dr. Dro
Has anyone with a device that has the Trend Micro version of this HomeCare thing been able to determine whether it is actually submitting the address to Trend Micro?

I've updated the firmware on my AX50 and addresses of a large variety are still logged even with the function disabled. It even logs a complaint that a website I regularly visit, and is actually safe to be an "illegal content website"; which is literally hilarious to me

I know one thing for sure though is that I'm never giving TPLink a penny again
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