Cuda support?!, Really.

TheoneandonlyMrKCuda support?!, Really.

Indeed, that will be interesting

W1zzardIndeed, that will be interesting

On many levels eh.

no glide support :P

It can run League of Legends. I guess that's a start for the Chinese (and maybe Russian?) market. Having "undisclosed video memory" and mooooooooore threads is definitely a plus. :p

MUSAAAAAAA

Prima.VeraMUSAAAAAAA

Only because CUDAAAAAAA is already taken. :D

My first thought when reading "MUSA" was "someone really wants to this to sound like CUDA". Turns out that was spot on :P

Still, this seems impressive on paper for a first effort - though the lack of power and performance numbers beyond TFLOPS is rather worrying. Given that this is 12nm I'm not expecting it to be even remotely competitive with current architectures, but that doesn't make it any less impressive - assuming it works, of course.

ValantarMy first thought when reading "MUSA" was "someone really wants to this to sound like CUDA". Turns out that was spot on :p

Still, this seems impressive on paper for a first effort - though the lack of power and performance numbers beyond TFLOPS is rather worrying. Given that this is 12nm I'm not expecting it to be even remotely competitive with current architectures, but that doesn't make it any less impressive - assuming it works, of course.

I think in the markets this thing is intended to sell, it won't have to compete with anything. I wouldn't be surprised to see this as the new mainstream Russian gaming card now that western companies have left the business there.

I got to hand it to the Chinese, even with America technology sanctions on them, they still manage to build gpu and cpu capabilities. Now they've bought something to the market it'll be interesting to see how fast they can improve on their products. Observers can laugh now but given the obsticles placed in front of them and their ability continue innovating I can see why America considers them a threat. Eastern countries are where all the exciting products will be emerging from not state side.

lewis007I got to hand it to the Chinese, even with America technology sanctions on them, they still manage to build gpu and cpu capabilities. Now they've bought something to the market it'll be interesting to see how fast they can improve on their products. Observers can laugh now but given the obsticles placed in front of them and their ability continue innovating I can see why America considers them a threat. Eastern countries are where all the exciting products will be emerging from not state side.

Indeed. If there's one thing US/EU sanctions are good for, then it's urging Chinese/Russian economies to innovate and become independent from the West. The fact that a never-heard-of Chinese company can create and arrange manufacturing for a 12 nm GPU out of thin air in just 18 months while Intel has been struggling with Arc for years and years only proves that our sanctions are actually backfiring on us.

I can see the meme coming soon:
Intel/Nvidia/AMD: "We're cutting supplies to Russia and China. Let's see them descend back to the Middle Ages."
China/Russia: "Hold my beer."

Not cool, it's still March here.

@Uskompuf please correct the MTT S2000 memory to 32GB!
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It seems that we have 1465-1500MHz with 128 ROPs for S60 (192GPixel/s) paired with 8GB LPGDDR4X but I don't know the memory bus & frequency.

lewis007I got to hand it to the Chinese, even with America technology sanctions on them, they still manage to build gpu and cpu capabilities. Now they've bought something to the market it'll be interesting to see how fast they can improve on their products. Observers can laugh now but given the obsticles placed in front of them and their ability continue innovating I can see why America considers them a threat. Eastern countries are where all the exciting products will be emerging from not state side.

AusWolfIndeed. If there's one thing US/EU sanctions are good for, then it's urging Chinese/Russian economies to innovate and become independent from the West. The fact that a never-heard-of Chinese company can create and arrange manufacturing for a 12 nm GPU out of thin air in just 18 months while Intel has been struggling with Arc for years and years only proves that our sanctions are actually backfiring on us.

I can see the meme coming soon:
Intel/Nvidia/AMD: "We're cutting supplies to Russia and China. Let's see them descend back to the Middle Ages."
China/Russia: "Hold my beer."

I don't disagree, but there are massive differences between Russia and China in this regard. One is capital - China is absolutely stinking rich even when accounting for its massive population, while Russia is quite poor (in no small part thanks to Putin (and his cronies and family and predecessors) stealing massively from the state coffers for decades. Another factor that's really difficult to pin down (education? some element of culture? work ethic? something else? some weird mix of factors?) is that China, while having a lasting reputation for cheap goods thanks to their role in the mass-produced junk boom of the 1980s and 90s, have a long history of producing high quality, advanced products, and have focused on improving and accelerating growth in this area for two decades. These chip efforts are just the culmination of a development that encompasses almost the entirety of Chinese industry. They're really good at making advanced, high quality, high tech things. Russia, on the other hand, while somehow able to make the most reliable space-faring rockets in the world, are otherwise famous for shoddy quality and poor engineering, something that hasn't changed in recent years. While they have made a concerted push towards more domestic production since the 2014 sanctions in areas like beef and cheese (which were largely imported previously), and have put significant money into this, the products of these efforts are still drastically lower quality than the imports they are trying to replace. And the same seems to be true for their recent chipmaking efforts. There's also little reason to suspect these things will be shared freely between the two countries, as while they are friendly, they are neither allies nor all that close, and China in particular is reluctant to share anything that places them at an advantage, being ultimately rather insular politically.

First I heard of this. I wonder what these cards what kind of mining performance they will have, price per hash rate or ROI could be a selling point.

Also, can someone please tell me what "LPGDDR4X" is? Is it a hybrid between LPDDR4X and some form of GDDR?

ValantarAlso, can someone please tell me what "LDGDDR4X" is? Is it a hybrid between LPDDR4X and some form of GDDR?

decade old laptop memory? :p

DeathtoGnomesdecade old laptop memory? :p

Maybe every other chip is either LPDDR4X or GDDR4 :p

ValantarI don't disagree, but there are massive differences between Russia and China in this regard. One is capital - China is absolutely stinking rich even when accounting for its massive population, while Russia is quite poor (in no small part thanks to Putin (and his cronies and family and predecessors) stealing massively from the state coffers for decades. Another factor that's really difficult to pin down (education? some element of culture? work ethic? something else? some weird mix of factors?) is that China, while having a lasting reputation for cheap goods thanks to their role in the mass-produced junk boom of the 1980s and 90s, have a long history of producing high quality, advanced products, and have focused on improving and accelerating growth in this area for two decades. These chip efforts are just the culmination of a development that encompasses almost the entirety of Chinese industry. They're really good at making advanced, high quality, high tech things. Russia, on the other hand, while somehow able to make the most reliable space-faring rockets in the world, are otherwise famous for shoddy quality and poor engineering, something that hasn't changed in recent years. While they have made a concerted push towards more domestic production since the 2014 sanctions in areas like beef and cheese (which were largely imported previously), and have put significant money into this, the products of these efforts are still drastically lower quality than the imports they are trying to replace. And the same seems to be true for their recent chipmaking efforts. There's also little reason to suspect these things will be shared freely between the two countries, as while they are friendly, they are neither allies nor all that close, and China in particular is reluctant to share anything that places them at an advantage, being ultimately rather insular politically.

This is all true, although while Intel, AMD and Nvidia effectively stopped all sales in Russia, there is no urge for China, or any Chinese company to do the same. Actually, a whole country (the size of Russia) that's left without IT products is an open field for companies like this. If I was the head of Moooooooooooooore Threads, I'd be stupid not to take advantage of the situation.

ValantarAlso, can someone please tell me what "LPGDDR4X" is? Is it a hybrid between LPDDR4X and some form of GDDR?

DeathtoGnomesdecade old laptop memory? :p

Nope. The key of LPGDDR4X is in LPG. These GPUs work with gas. :D

Regarding memory, it probably is plain LPDDR4x. It's 192Gpixels/s so 1.5GHz with 128ROPs probably, but even on a 256bit bus the memory bandwidth is too small (136.5GB/s with LPDDR4x-4266) so for S2000 either we have 512bit bus with double the S60 key specs or the same 256bit bus using 32Gb ICs and doubling only the texture/shader part keeping ROPs the same.
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AusWolfThis is all true, although while Intel, AMD and Nvidia effectively stopped all sales in Russia, there is no urge for China, or any Chinese company to do the same. Actually, a whole country (the size of Russia) that's left without IT products is an open field for companies like this. If I was the head of Moooooooooooooore Threads, I'd be stupid not to take advantage of the situation.

Oh, no doubt, if possible (in production volumes, pricing etc.) they'll no doubt jump on that opportunity - but I'd be surprised if their government wouldn't hold back a bit still. There'd definitely be no sharing of technologies beyond the sales of finished products, that's for sure.

AusWolfNope. The key of LPGDDR4X is in LPG. These GPUs work with gas. :D

So that's what Russia will be using all their gas for after that too is sanctioned. Damn smart stuff! I wonder if it uses some sort of micro turbine or if it's more of a fuel cell type process.

Read that as More Treads. :)

lewis007I got to hand it to the Chinese, even with America technology sanctions on them, they still manage to build gpu and cpu capabilities. Now they've bought something to the market it'll be interesting to see how fast they can improve on their products. Observers can laugh now but given the obsticles placed in front of them and their ability continue innovating I can see why America considers them a threat. Eastern countries are where all the exciting products will be emerging from not state side.

Well, If it wasn't for the former vice president of Nvidia behind the project with a lot of stolen data and IP I would find it impressive. lol

This is interesting even if it's too slow to be relevant to those of us using AMD or Nvidia GPUs. I wonder if we would ever see any independent benchmarks.

DenverWell, If it wasn't for the former vice president of Nvidia behind the project with a lot of stolen data and IP I would find it impressive. lol

You're right. Hot Hardware mentions that

Moore Threads founder and CEO Zhang Jianzhong previously served as NVIDIA's global vice president and general manager in China.

I will reserve my judgement until i see independent testing but Chinese have a way of overhyping. Remember the supposed GTX 1080 performance GPU that turned out to be much slower?
So i wont hold my breath about half of these claims being true.