Yeah, 1650 has more CUDA cores and wider bus, no way this is anywhere near close to it.
It better be cheap.

ValantarHow would this be on par with the 6500XT when the 6500XT is significantly faster than a 1650?

Then DOA :). GPU for soft gaming and Display output.

ixiGPU for soft gaming and Display output.

Exactly that. :) A GPU to upgrade an old system with HDMI 2.0 and a modern video decoder.

Will it cost 50 or 70 dollars, euro? I do hope it will not cost 100 or more :D

ixiIf this gonna be cheaper than 6500xt and on par with it, then worth it I guess.

Of course not, this card is all sorts of nothing. Old node, missing features, and performance that barely enables anything.

ixiIf this gonna be cheaper than 6500xt and on par with it, then worth it I guess.

Not going to happen as the 6500XT trades blows with the GTX 1650 Super

Durvelle27Not going to happen as the 6500XT trades blows with the GTX 1650 Super

you can't do those type of comparisons, as the 6500XT isn't really comparable to anything else

Bomby569you can't do those type of comparisons, as the 6500XT isn't really comparable to anything else
have a 6500

Do you have a 6500XT to confirm what you are saying?

kapone32Do you have a 6500XT to confirm what you are saying?

that's some weird argument, i never went to the Moon but i know a lot of information about it. It's clearly and absurd card with a lot of importante features missing

Bomby569that's some weird argument, i never went to the Moon but i know a lot of information about it. It's clearly and absurd card with a lot of importante features missing

Did you get your doctorates in GPU development and currently working as a GPU scientist?? If not, gtfo!

/sarcasm

Bomby569that's some weird argument, i never went to the Moon but i know a lot of information about it. It's clearly and absurd card with a lot of importante features missing

Yes but it also has some features that make it better than the 5000 or 500 series cards from AMD. Things like HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4. It also better OCs as well. I guess you are referencing people who don't spend money to test products and look at the 4GB buffer and x4 as a bad thing. I have said this before but PCIe 4x4 has the same bandwidth as PCIe 3x8 is that really that bad? To me that is the same as 1 Vega 64 in a crossfire setup or a GPU with a RAID card in the 2nd slot. That sounds pretty good for Gaming.

Bomby569you can't do those type of comparisons, as the 6500XT isn't really comparable to anything else

You must don't read reviews much

Durvelle27You must don't read reviews much

what about the missing features?

Bomby569what about the missing features?

Yes, what about them? They're not there. If that bothers you, a 1650 Super is a better buy. If not, then not. I'd you have a non-F Intel CPU or AMD APU, then you're covered. If you're on PCIe 3.0, look at specific game results in the PCIe scaling test to see if it is likely to underperform in your preferred games. Is this more complex than most GPUs? Certainly. Is it a poor configuration? Arguably, yes. I think AMD should have made some different choices. But that doesn't negate the value of the GPU outright.

ValantarYes, what about them? They're not there. If that bothers you, a 1650 Super is a better buy. If not, then not. I'd you have a non-F Intel CPU or AMD APU, then you're covered. If you're on PCIe 3.0, look at specific game results in the PCIe scaling test to see if it is likely to underperform in your preferred games. Is this more complex than most GPUs? Certainly. Is it a poor configuration? Arguably, yes. I think AMD should have made some different choices. But that doesn't negate the value of the GPU outright.

I was just saying it isn't really a card to be compared to any others like it's exactly the same product. You can't just ignore the poor value of that card. I'm not in the market for gpu's

Bomby569I was just saying it isn't really a card to be compared to any others like it's exactly the same product. You can't just ignore the poor value of that card. I'm not in the market for gpu's

That's kinda what a comparison is for; if they were exactly the same product, there'd be nothing to talk about. Given that they're currently selling for almost exactly the same price the comparison is absolutely warranted. Poor value is left to judgement of the buyer. Also, who's ignoring that? It's been one of the largest talking points about the 6500 XT.

80-watt HamsterThat's kinda what a comparison is for; if they were exactly the same product, there'd be nothing to talk about. Given that they're currently selling for almost exactly the same price the comparison is absolutely warranted. Poor value is left to judgement of the buyer. Also, who's ignoring that? It's been one of the largest talking points about the 6500 XT.

I bought mine for $229 Canadian. I had a 570 but my new 4K TV supports VRR only for HDMI 2.1. I could not get 120HZ using the 570. I also had a 5700 and that does not support it either. I also have a balls to the Wall 6800XT system. The thing for me (I think I have said this before) is how small the GPU die is compared to the 6800XT. You could literally fit 8 of those chips on the die of the 6800XT.

80-watt HamsterThat's kinda what a comparison is for; if they were exactly the same product, there'd be nothing to talk about. Given that they're currently selling for almost exactly the same price the comparison is absolutely warranted. Poor value is left to judgement of the buyer. Also, who's ignoring that? It's been one of the largest talking points about the 6500 XT.

Not when he was comparing prices directly. Again it makes no sense. Sure there might be people that don't know what the card is missing but i'm sure they aren't frequenting TPU, or don't care about it but he was not adressing anyone specifically, speaking broad terms.

Any phone without cameras is still a phone, is it directly comparable to one with cameras, no, not really.

Bomby569Not when he was comparing prices directly. Again it makes no sense. Sure there might be people that don't know what the card is missing but i'm sure they aren't frequenting TPU, or don't care about it but he was not adressing anyone specifically, speaking broad terms.

Any phone without cameras is still a phone, is it directly comparable to one with cameras, no, not really.

You really trying to ride on 3 missing features which every modern CPU supports :roll:

Durvelle27You really trying to ride on 3 missing features which every modern CPU supports :roll:

Clearly they make no difference, nevermind everyone that ever talked and reviewed this card, or the fact that it was the only one avaiable for sale and even below MSRP in the middle of the biggest shortage of gpu's. Someone is clearly going in the road calling everyone else for going on the wrong side.

Bomby569Not when he was comparing prices directly. Again it makes no sense. Sure there might be people that don't know what the card is missing but i'm sure they aren't frequenting TPU, or don't care about it but he was not adressing anyone specifically, speaking broad terms.

Any phone without cameras is still a phone, is it directly comparable to one with cameras, no, not really.

As they said: that's what a comparison is for. Please stop arguing as if only products with feature parity are comparable - that's nonsense. Ascertaining differences and judging their importance is the point of a comparison. A phone without cameras is entirely comparable to others with cameras - and the obvious conclusion is that if you want a camera at all, look elsewhere, but if not then it might have other qualities you care about. Or the lack of a camera might even be a pro to you! The only reason you're saying it's not comparable is that you're determining ahead of time that a certain featureset is necessary - which is obviously your right, but you also have to acknowledge that others might not agree with you on that judgement.

Bomby569Clearly they make no difference, nevermind everyone that ever talked and reviewed this card, or the fact that it was the only one avaiable for sale and even below MSRP in the middle of the biggest shortage of gpu's. Someone is clearly going in the road calling everyone else for going on the wrong side.

You're completely missing the point. Nobody is saying this doesn't matter - likely everyone here has discussed it at length already. What were arguing against is the nonsensical stance that because it lacks some features that makes it fundamentally incomparable to other GPUs.

Bomby569Clearly they make no difference, nevermind everyone that ever talked and reviewed this card, or the fact that it was the only one avaiable for sale and even below MSRP in the middle of the biggest shortage of gpu's. Someone is clearly going in the road calling everyone else for going on the wrong side.

Point is

the RX 6500XT is a Gaming GPU. It was released for 1080P Low-Mid gaming. No editing or anything else. the GTX 1650 Super is also a gaming GPU for 1080P gaming and both offer Similar performance. Features or not both are marketed for gaming and both offer similar gaming performance.

Durvelle27Point is

the RX 6500XT is a Gaming GPU. It was released for 1080P Low-Mid gaming. No editing or anything else. the GTX 1650 Super is also a gaming GPU for 1080P gaming and both offer Similar performance. Features or not both are marketed for gaming and both offer similar gaming performance.

i don't know why you picked on me, i just comment it isn't really comparable, the reasons seem obvious. Aniway let's move on.

Bomby569i don't know why you picked on me, i just comment it isn't really comparable, the reasons seem obvious. Aniway let's move on.

The reasons are for many intents and purposes, non-issues, that is the point people are trying to make.

It matters when and if you are looking for those specific features, and if you did, you wouldn't buy said card missing them. If you don't, the gaming performance compares them best. Its like expecting it to RT, obviously it won't and even if it did, why would anyone care - in much the same way if the 6500XT was the subject.

See comparisons matter because things are available at similar price points, that is the primary concern for a customer - what can I get for X money; or if you value the feature over the expense: what does it cost to get feature X. Everything at any price point you pick, is by definition comparable and you compare on features that you need, and/or performance that you'd use.

No need to keep going on about it, but I hope that explains better why you guys have talked past each other the last page :D

Durvelle27Just imagine not even a Full year ago I sold a 980 Ti, 980, and 5700 XT for less than $450. Now 5700Xts going for $450-$600 Alone :cry:

Yeah man, I bought a 1080 for 420 eur in 2017... feels close to winning the hindsight lottery. Card's still relevant, if you don't RT all you want to run, runs on it... I'm even on 3440x1440 and haven't been backing down below High. It is that fact that keeps me solid in the RT=Stick it somewhere I don't see it-camp. I don't miss it for a second and any tech that inflates GPU pricing across the board should be a fat no-no right now - and that's not even considering the climate impact of making processing jobs like this more expensive for very little reason other than shareholder gains. All of this was clear when mining surged and took GPUs away from people - not the last surge, but the previous one(s). I honestly don't understand how blind people can be, or perhaps ignorance is bliss.

Could probably still sell it today for the initial price. A clear sign you don't want to even think of buying a GPU at this point...

All I can say is, I hope the upcoming gen is a good one. Otherwise its defo going to be a retro-PC for me, full of emulators and legacy stuff that'll keep me and others going for, I dunno... a few dozen years lol... that bucket list of pre-2020 content is pretty long still :)

But did you sell all three for 450 together?! Whuuu...

ixiIf this gonna be cheaper than 6500xt and on par with it, then worth it I guess.

No, GTX 1630 is a direct competitor to RX 6400..
Maybe nvidia fears that AMD will sell many RX 6400s and it feels that launch should get a response.

The red circle will be the performance estimate for a GTX 1630..


AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database