That's good news, granted there are few good options at $100 mark.

It seems like whoever made that chart either messed up, or AMD changed the GPP lanes from the CPU into PCIe 4.0.

B650 seems great. Pcie 5.0 is too next-gen for my taste.

Hmmmm. Weird segregation of features.

mechtechHmmmm. Weird segregation of features.

Part of the problem is that when you lose one chipset, you lose the coresponding connectivity.

the chart does look wrong. a lot of motherboards ie MSI MPG X670E CARBON have x16 for graphics and 2 x4 for M2

demian_vithe chart does look wrong. a lot of motherboards ie MSI MPG X670E CARBON have x16 for graphics and 2 x4 for M2

Chart seems OK.

MPG X670E CARBON WIFI has:
PCI_E1 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x8 (From CPU)
PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From Chipset)

and

M.2_1 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_2 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices

The second PCIe 5.0 is shared with the first (that's common).
The second M.2 slot is also 5.0, probably connected via GPP (which means General Purpose Ports).

BlaazenChart seems OK.

MPG X670E CARBON WIFI has:
PCI_E1 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x8 (From CPU)
PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From Chipset)

and

M.2_1 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_2 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices

The second PCIe 5.0 is shared with the first (that's common).
The second M.2 slot is also 5.0, probably connected via GPP (which means General Purpose Ports).

The chart is wrong because 16+4+4=24 and not 20 like the chart says.
I don't care about GPP or not, I don't even know what's GPP tbh and I bet more causal users dont know either for sure.

BlaazenChart seems OK.

MPG X670E CARBON WIFI has:
PCI_E1 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x8 (From CPU)
PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From Chipset)

and

M.2_1 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_2 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices

The second PCIe 5.0 is shared with the first (that's common).
The second M.2 slot is also 5.0, probably connected via GPP (which means General Purpose Ports).

At first I thought also the same.
But the 20 usable PCI-express 5.0 is contradictory, maybe when there are 2 M.2 5.0 4X active, the graphics port goes to PCI-express 5.0 8X instead of 16X (or 8X+4X if it has 2X16 PCI-express 5.0 physical ports)
AMD must clarify this.
Edit:
I went to MSI's website but it didn't mention anything, but I also went to ASUS Crosshair X670E Extreme and it says the following:
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
M.2_2 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)**

** When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8 and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run x4

demian_viThe chart is wrong because 16+4+4=24 and not 20 like the chart says.
I don't care about GPP or not, I don't even know what's GPP tbh and I bet more causal users dont know either for sure.

GPP is for the integrated GPU. Otether wise you have 16 for the GPU, 4 for the M.2 and 4 for the connection to the chipset and the usb controller. This is how I understand it.

IMHO You are NOT going to get Cheap "B" Series Motherboards.
IMHO I think they will be around the $170.00 for the Cheapest B 650 Mother board. For the B 650(E) Series, I think they will Around the $225 range.

Let's hope that I'm Wrong. But considering that I was spot on the Outrageous X670 Motherboards....

However I believe that enough pissed off people were mad about those greedy prices so they might drop $20... You know that a $150.00 B series board does not sound TOO BAD for the gerbils to bite.

Except I got my X570 for $124.99 @ Newegg, so I and many others remember the pricing of the X570.

As stated before this is how AMD is going to make their money. You need the NEW motherboard for the NEW CPU and IMHO AMD will follow Intel's lead of New CPU+GPU for now on. There will be no long term Sockets like we had with the AM4.

You can thank Dr. Lisa Su for that.

I think I'll settle on B650E.

I await in real time, online prices here in Australia with much curiosity.

ChaitanyaThat's good news, granted there are few good options at $100 mark.

Wow, you really need to do research if you think that $100 is even close to an option:
duckduckgo.com/?q=inflation

But why only four SATA ports on the lower-end 650 boards? A minimum of six would've been better.

Icon CharlieIMHO You are NOT going to get Cheap "B" Series Motherboards.
IMHO I think they will be around the $170.00 for the Cheapest B 650 Mother board. For the B 650(E) Series, I think they will Around the $225 range.

Let's hope that I'm Wrong. But considering that I was spot on the Outrageous X670 Motherboards....

However I believe that enough pissed off people were mad about those greedy prices so they might drop $20... You know that a $150.00 B series board does not sound TOO BAD for the gerbils to bite.

I think there will be a few in the $130-150 range. It's way too popular of a price bracket for these vendors to intentionally ignore.

Third party board makers have plenty of cost cutting methods to get the price that low (reduce the amount of NVME/Sata ports, no nvme heatsink, no wifi, generic I/O shield, limited fan slots, no front panel USB header.....ect)

I legitimately believe $130-150 will happen but the boards will basically be closer to an "A series" board then a "mid level B series" even though they'll carry the B650 name/price

BlaazenChart seems OK.

MPG X670E CARBON WIFI has:
PCI_E1 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 PCIe 5.0 supports up to x8 (From CPU)
PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From Chipset)

and

M.2_1 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_2 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices

The second PCIe 5.0 is shared with the first (that's common).
The second M.2 slot is also 5.0, probably connected via GPP (which means General Purpose Ports).

ModEl4At first I thought also the same.
But the 20 usable PCI-express 5.0 is contradictory, maybe when there are 2 M.2 5.0 4X active, the graphics port goes to PCI-express 5.0 8X instead of 16X (or 8X+4X if it has 2X16 PCI-express 5.0 physical ports)
AMD must clarify this.
Edit:
I went to MSI's website but it didn't mention anything, but I also went to ASUS Crosshair X670E Extreme and it says the following:
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
M.2_2 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)**

** When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8 and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run x4

Aren't the GPP lanes the ones intended for the USB 4 controller (if implemented, otherwise available for an extra m.2)?

trsttteAren't the GPP lanes the ones intended for the USB 4 controller (if implemented, otherwise available for an extra m.2)?

Possibly I don't recall, in any case we will know soon enough.
Maybe the GPP lanes are 4.0 version (64Mbps/64Mbps in 4X) does Ryzen platform support USB 4.0 version 1.0 or 2.0? In version 1.0 PCI-express 4.0 4X is enough to support it.

ModEl4Possibly I don't recall, in any case we will know soon enough.
Maybe the GPP lanes are 4.0 version (64Mbps/64Mbps in 4X) does Ryzen platform support USB 4.0 version 1.0 or 2.0? In version 1.0 PCI-express 4.0 4X is enough to support it.

AFAIK zen4 was all pcie5.0, the chipset was only 4.0 but not because of the cpu. USB4 was just using an external controller so it's whatever version Asmedia supplies (version 2.0 was just announced so probably not that)

trsttteAFAIK zen4 was all pcie5.0, the chipset was only 4.0 but not because of the cpu. USB4 was just using an external controller so it's whatever version Asmedia supplies (version 2.0 was just announced so probably not that)

That's what my understanding was also, but why in ASUS Crosshair X670E Extreme when you activate the second M.2 5.0 slot, the graphics port goes to 8X 5.0 mode? (because it has USB4.0 OK, is there a X670E without USB 4.0?)
if you check in the image the NVMe/GPP info, in NVMe case AMD clearly states the version (5.0) while in GPP's case it's not stated, so combine that with the fact that in next column it states only 20 usable PCI-express 5.0 slots and something is amiss, I think it needs further clarification from AMD imo.
Edit: I just saw some motherboards from ASUS (STRIX X670E-E) that don't have USB 4.0 but have 3X M.2 5.0 slot so maybe in this case is possible!