Monday, October 31st 2022

Some AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Processors Made with Dual-CCD Packages

Some AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 6-core/12-thread processors could be made with dual-CCD "Raphael" packages, reveals a de-lidding feat by der8auer. This is functionally the same processor as a single-CCD package, all 6 CPU cores are located on just one of the two CCDs; while the other CCD is completely disabled. This wouldn't be the first time that AMD carved out low core-count SKUs using dual-CCD MCMs, we've seen instances of such dual-CCD Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 processors from past generations, such as the Ryzen 3000 "Matisse" and Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer." Normally, the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 SKUs are based on a single-CCD package, with the substrate physically lacking a second CCD. The IHS is small and sturdy enough to not need the second CCD as a structural support. This leads us to speculate that the 7600X is being harvested out of dual-CCD packages that have been produced surplus to demand.
Sources: HotHardware, der8auer (YouTube)
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46 Comments on Some AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Processors Made with Dual-CCD Packages

#1
Space Lynx
Astronaut
"harvested out of... surplus demand"

lol the wording is very fitting for Halloween, well done @btarunr :roll:
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#2
N/A
At this point this is like the intel 2066 system that had a i5-7640X quad core on it. It doesn't make sense, I don't understand where this demand comes from. Do they plan to later upgrade to 9000 series or something.
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#3
The King
My 5600X has dual CCDs, still waiting for someone to find a way to unlock it. :p

Pretty clear from the thermal camera the other CCD is completely disabled.

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Unregistered
Probably the least appealing Zen4 part due to pricing. Unless the dies are dead I don't see why waste them on this part.
#5
Dyatlov A
So they sell the garbage for $300. Not bad for them…
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#6
HTC
It's actually quite simple: while attempting to make a 7900X, one of the CCDs got damaged somehow and became sufficiently damaged to force it's scrapping.

Instead of scrapping the whole CPU, they simply disabled any and all links to that CCD and re-used the other chiplets for "a lower model" CPU.

This is actually a good thing because, were this a monolithic chip, the whole CPU would have to be scrapped.

I wouldn't be surprised it this actually occurred more often, and not just with Zen 4 either.
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#7
zo0lykas
HTCIt's actually quite simple: while attempting to make a 7900X, one of the CCDs got damaged somehow and became sufficiently damaged to force it's scrapping.

Instead of scrapping the whole CPU, they simply disabled any and all links to that CCD and re-used the other chiplets for "a lower model" CPU.

This is actually a good thing because, were this a monolithic chip, the whole CPU would have to be scrapped.

I wouldn't be surprised it this actually occurred more often, and not just with Zen 4 either.
Yes!

At least one person is thinking big way, how reduce waste and make profit!
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#8
usiname
Dyatlov ASo they sell the garbage for $300. Not bad for them…
What does it remind me of... Ah yes, the F intel's cpus
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#9
thewan
btarunrbeen produced surplus to demand
N/AAt this point this is like the intel 2066 system that had a i5-7640X quad core on it. It doesn't make sense, I don't understand where this demand comes from. Do they plan to later upgrade to 9000 series or something.
www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-recycles-dual-chiplet-ryzen-7000-as-ryzen-5-7600x-cpus

Unless you are convicting the AMD spokesperson of lying, it was already mentioned by AMD that this is part of their manufacturing process to reduce waste. Seems many ppl here at TPU many closed minds and do not cross check with multiple news sources. It is these kind of ppl that will end up spreading misinformation that will one day bring them and the ppl close to them their downfall.
The KingMy 5600X has dual CCDs, still waiting for someone to find a way to unlock it. :p

Pretty clear from the thermal camera the other CCD is completely disabled.

Also mentioned in the above article, that the other CCD is fused off. There is no way to access it so how to unlock it? You want to manually unfuse it?
Use our resident wizzard magic to do it?
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#10
The King
thewanAlso mentioned in the above article, that the other CCD is fused off. There is no way to access it so how to unlock it? You want to manually unfuse it?
Use our resident wizzard magic to do it?
The tongue sticking out thing was my subtle way of saying I was joking.

I fully expected your reply.

Igor labs did say a while back they were looking into unlocking CCDs on ZEN 3 because there is still some data/sensor readings but nothing has come of it.

So no its not possible I never expected it to be in reality. :)

FYi CCD 2 L3 temp sensor readings on my 5600X - Does not seem to be completely fused off. :p
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#11
Why_Me
usinameWhat does it remind me of... Ah yes, the F intel's cpus
Such as the 12700F?

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Dyatlov A
usinameWhat does it remind me of... Ah yes, the F intel's cpus
They at least 150usd, what i have.
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#13
usiname
Dyatlov AThey at least 150usd, what i have.
The 4/8 12100? This is the only intel's cpu below $150, 12400f is $175 :roll:
Meanwhile 5600 is $160 and 5500 is $120

12400 is using ddr5 6000 here, imagine to pay $15 more for cpu, $20 more for mobo and $100 more for DDR5 to be 0.7% faster :roll:
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#14
DeathtoGnomes
Why_MeSuch as the 12700F?

Convenient that the 5800X3D was left out. Source for this ?
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#17
tabascosauz
The KingFYi CCD 2 L3 temp sensor readings on my 5600X - Does not seem to be completely fused off. :p
Now that's surprising. What's up with the 0C readings? Don't think I've ever seen that before.
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#18
Dirt Chip
HTCIt's actually quite simple: while attempting to make a 7900X, one of the CCDs got damaged somehow and became sufficiently damaged to force it's scrapping.

Instead of scrapping the whole CPU, they simply disabled any and all links to that CCD and re-used the other chiplets for "a lower model" CPU.

This is actually a good thing because, were this a monolithic chip, the whole CPU would have to be scrapped.

I wouldn't be surprised it this actually occurred more often, and not just with Zen 4 either.
It is a common practice with all chip manufactors (intel, amd, nv, Samsung ect).
You can disable cores also with monolithic chip and also chiplets are composed of chips that can be cut- see amd 2*5 chiplet cpus.
What is sad with zen4 is that amd keep all the profit from this saving to themselves..
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#19
MarsM4N
The KingMy 5600X has dual CCDs, still waiting for someone to find a way to unlock it. :p

Pretty clear from the thermal camera the other CCD is completely disabled.

der8auer could have saved himself some time & work by just running this app. :laugh:

P.S.: looks like thermal imaging is getting more useful from day to day, lol.
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#20
ZetZet
DeathtoGnomesConvenient that the 5800X3D was left out. Source for this ?
5800X3D is good, but it's not magic. 12700(F) is still a good CPU, it will perform similarly in games, but you still get extra threads for other applications.
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#21
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
It makes sense, they're just failed 7900x CPUs - with decent odds that some are Fully Functional
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#22
lesovers
There is a bazillion BGA type connections from the CCD to the interposer PCB on the CPU and it only takes one short between the connections or one open circuit to make it useless without reworking the CCD part.
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#23
Vayra86
ZetZet5800X3D is good, but it's not magic. 12700(F) is still a good CPU, it will perform similarly in games, but you still get extra threads for other applications.
The 12700 and 5800X3D are not even same ballpark in a large number of games. Check the recent comparison article of 5800 vs X3D.
Overall it beats even the 12900k, and it beats it in the games where it matters most, the ones CPU bound more readily than GPU.

And it manages to do all this at lower power too.
So you have 4 extra (E-) threads... who cares, honestly, we're talking about 16 vs 20, and both have '8 P/SMT' cores regardless.

Its definitely magic; magic cache... the X3D is really positioned perfectly for most consumer use cases, in every metric: power/perf/w, FPS/w, gaming latency/frame times, and even MT perf is more than fine.

I mean if you compare the X3D to stuff lower in the stack, sure, you can get a more competitive gaming CPU. But when you want perf at the top end... The 12700 is old news.
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#24
Dyatlov A
usinameThe 4/8 12100? This is the only intel's cpu below $150, 12400f is $175 :roll:
Meanwhile 5600 is $160 and 5500 is $120

12400 is using ddr5 6000 here, imagine to pay $15 more for cpu, $20 more for mobo and $100 more for DDR5 to be 0.7% faster :roll:
you can find 12400 for 150usd on ebay and can do 5GHZ+ easily
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#25
usiname
Dyatlov Ayou can find 12400 for 150usd on ebay and can do 5GHZ+ easily
Lol intel's fanboys are smart as f, pay $100 more for ddr5 + $200 for board that will allow overclock of non K intel to get less than 10% improvement :roll:, lets not forget second hand 12400f from ebay :roll:
meanwhile cheapest b350 or b450 for $50-60 is enough to overclock both the ram and the r5 5600
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