ratirtI guess Intel and AMD will start to put more efforts into new architectures of processors. Working on a totally new architecture that will fix some things in energy consumption and temps. I think it is for better. Maybe in 2024 we will get processors seriously revised and easier to tame with power and temps.

usinameLets the clown show with delay after delay of the 7nm and refresh after refresh of the 10nm start again

Dirt ChipAnd yet, those refresher pretty much dominant now in many cases.
Say a lot on the second player...

Dirt ChipIt is already a few years in progress.
New arch is a 5 years endeavor, you dont wait to lunch and the start to figure out new arch

usinameYes, with 10x the RED budget and still behind. Thats says a lot. Meanwhile do you remember where was AMD 6-7 years ago? And Intel?

ratirtsure but from Intel's perspective the "new" launch was every year. Now Intel skips next years launch. 5 year but evey year you get a refresh of a refresh. I'm talking about a new thing and AMD and Intel skip next year so I guess they will revise everything. Every aspect of the CPUs and maybe we will get something very cool and fast next time.

BwazeAnd the 3D counterparts will again have lower clocks and lower productivity, and only gain in very specific tasks,
- gaming fortunately being one of them.

Dirt ChipThere is nothing new thay can do for the next year. All the design is already finished.
What they can do is to choose not to OK the hell out of the CPU out of the box and leave it to the user.
News flash, it will not happen in the face of fierce compatition.

DavenThe 5800X3D was downclocked due to the 140W limit of socket AM4. Since it was a 105W chip, that limit would have been exceeded by the addition of the extra cache and the higher turbo clock.

Now socket AM5 has a 230W limit. The 7600X and 7700X are lower wattage chips using only 105/180W versus the 170/230W of the 12/16 core parts. There is power headroom for cache to be added to the 6 and 8 core versions AND increase the clocks.

It was not some sort of physics that forced AMD to lower clocks after adding cache on the 5800X3D but the power limitations on the old socket AM4. AMD does not have that problem on AM5 unless they were adding cache to the higher power 12 and 16 core parts which go up to 230W. The leak says they are not adding cache to these parts.

I estimate higher clocks AND 3D cache on the 7600X3D and 7800X3D.

Bwazesocket power delivery limitation surely can't be the only reason 5800X3D had a reduced boost frequencies and locked overclocking?

ValantarI'm more "worried" (not that current CPUs aren't stupidly fast already, so no real worries, but still...) that Meteor Lake is seeing yet another delay. I wonder what the catch is. Low fab yields? Low packaging yields? Something else?

BwazePerhaps Intel's analysts predict a really harsh economic downturn, so they are now focusing on trimming down the company and reducing costs, and will focus on delivering a new CPU generation when the conditions are better?

usinameLets the clown show with delay after delay of the 7nm and refresh after refresh of the 10nm start again

Bwaze5800X was rated the same as 5900X and 5950X, but it never reached the same power draw - and neither did the 5800X3D:



5800X3D still has lower power draw than 5900X and 5950X, even in most brutal tests. And those two don't even have any limitation on overclocking - so socket power delivery limitation surely can't be the only reason 5800X3D had a reduced boost frequencies and locked overclocking?

DavenCompanies tend to be conservative when it comes to product limits. Even though a third party shows higher power draw over the 140W limit, doesn’t mean AMD is using the same metric for internal testing that decides product specs. Stability, longevity and other factors play a role.

ratirtI disagree or You simply dont understand me. There is plenty to do even if the design is finished and maybe that is why there is nothing new next year and that is my point. It is for a reason. So instead releasing a refresh of a refresh, both companies would rather focus on some serious gains not just performance but also energy consumption and heat.
It does not matter how it will happen. What matters is, and i cheer for that, both companies draw conclusions about the power consumption and heat and will try to fix those things instead serving all of us power hungryfurnaces.

BwazeThat chart shows whole system power draw, not just CPU. The fact is, 5800X and also 5800X3D had a lower power draw than 5900X and 5950X - and those two processors could also be overclocked on top of that. Socket power draw limitation was therefore certainly not the factor in lowering the boost frequencies of 5800X3D. Or locking the overclocking. Maybe the combination of both would come close to power draw of overclocked 5950X, but Valantar above posted a much more probable reasons.

Dirt ChipYou will still get the same refresh but with slight power modification at best. If "serious gains" is only power related than we are agree.
But the node will stay the same as originally pland, the new arc benefit will not change so IPC will not change, core number also will stay the same as pland. Those are the thing, imo, that you need to change in order to get "serious gains"