Friday, December 2nd 2022

AMD Readies 16-core, 12-core, and 8-core Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Processors

AMD is firing full cylinders to release a new line of Ryzen 7000-series "Zen 4" Socket AM5 desktop processors featuring 3D Vertical Cache, at the earliest. Faced with a significant drop in demand due to the slump in the PC industry, and renewed competition from Intel in the form of its 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processors, the company is looking to launch the Ryzen 7000X3D desktop processors within January 2023, with product unveiling expected at AMD's 2023 International CES event. The 3D Vertical Cache technology had a profound impact on the gaming performance of the older "Zen 3" architecture, bringing it up to levels competitive with those of the 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake" processors, and while gaming performance of the Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" processors launched till take match or beat "Alder Lake," they fall behind those of the 13th Gen "Raptor Lake," which is exactly what AMD hopes to remedy with the Ryzen 7000X3D series.

In a report, Korean tech publication Quasar Zone states that AMD is planning to release 16-core/32-thread, 12-core/24-thread, and 8-core/16-thread SKUs in the Ryzen 7000X3D series. These would use one or two "Zen 4" chiplets with stacked 3D Vertical Cache memory. A large amount of cache memory operating at the same speed as the on-die L3 cache, is made contiguous with it and stacked on top of the region of the CCD (chiplet) that has the L3 cache, while the region with the CPU cores has structural silicon that conveys heat to the surface. On "Zen 3," the 32 MB on-die cache is appended with 64 MB of stacked cache memory operating at the same speed, giving the processor 96 MB of L3 cache that's uniformly accessible by all CPU cores on the CCD. This large cache memory positively impacts gaming performance on the Ryzen 7 5800X3D in comparison to the 5800X; and a similar uplift is expected for the 7000X3D series over their regular 7000-series counterparts.
The naming of these 7000X3D series SKUs is uncertain. It's possible that the 16-core part is called the 7950X3D, and the 12-core part 7900X3D; but the 8-core part may either be called the 7700X3D or 7800X3D. Quasar Zone also posted some theoretical performance projections for the 7950X3D based on the kind of performance uplifts 3DV cache yielded for "Zen 3" in the 5800X3D. According to these, the theoretical 7950X3D would easily match or beat the gaming performance of the Core i9-13900K, which begins to explain why Intel is scampering to launch the faster Core i9-13900KS with a boost frequency of 6.00 GHz or higher. The report also confirms that there won't be a 6-core/12-thread 7600X3D as previously thought.
Source: harukaze5719 (Twitter)
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153 Comments on AMD Readies 16-core, 12-core, and 8-core Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Processors

#151
bwanaaa
I dont understand the rationale behind 192 mb cach split between two chiplets. The latency between chiplets negates any benefit of the cache for any workload that involves two chiplets. Take flight sims for example, in DCS only 1 or 2 cores are used. In MSFS, up to 6 (in my experience). So the real benefits seen in the 5800x3D are due to a chiplet having access to the whole cache. Having two chiplets each with its own cache will not be better for games than one chiplet with cache. If the argument is that there are other applications that benefit, I can see that but it comes at the expense of a lot of extra heat. For gamers, it might be interesting to have a 7950x3d with only 1 chiplet having cache.
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Avro Arrow
Count von SchwalbeI was saying it would make more sense than the 3600X3D.
Do you mean 7600X3D?
Count von SchwalbeThe trouble with a 6-core X3D, 5K or 7K series, is that the X3D bit commands a $150 price premium - would you have bought a $400 6-core?
If it were an X3D, hell yeah I would. I did say that they could leave the non-X parts alone for the budget builders.
Count von SchwalbeI think enough people were complaining about the low core count/MT performance of the 5800X3D.
I haven't seen anyone complaining about the price of the 5800X3D, ever. I'm not saying that nobody has, I'm saying that I've never seen it so it's probably not a lot of people.

The R7-5800X3D turned out to be one of the best-selling AM4 CPUs ever made. Every review that I ever read about the 5800X3D said that if you have an AM4 platform already (which describes A LOT of people), it's the best value gaming CPU in existence.

If people are going to complain about the price of the one of the best-value gaming CPUs in existence, then they'll complain about anything and I don't really care if they complain. I was lucky to get my 5800X3D because it was sold out in Canada for literally weeks because it was on sale. It turned out that my local Memory Express had ten coming in and they allowed me to reserve one. My reservation was the seventh reserved 5800X3D of the batch which meant that only three were left. Clearly, the people complaining were a small minority compared to the people who jumped at the chance to get one. It had dropped in price from $570 to $470 and then Memory Express dropped it another $50 (while Canada Computers remained at $470) so I got mine for $420, not bad considering that's CAD.

The people who complained must have complained only about its productivity performance which is stupid because that's not what the CPU was for. AMD touted it as a gaming-first CPU and that's exactly what it was. For anyone who wanted a CPU for productivity, the R7-5700X was $100 less expensive so they could've just bought that. Either way, my ears are deaf to the complaints of stupid people.
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Count von Schwalbe
Avro Arrowwould say then that they should stop producing the R5-7600X and just replace it with the R5-3600X3D. The non-X parts are the budget parts and they can be left alone.
Avro ArrowDo you mean 7600X3D?
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