Would be interesting if we ever a proper 8C APU with 3D V-cache or some qty of on die RAM.

ChaitanyaWould be interesting if we ever a proper 8C APU with 3D V-cache or some qty of on die RAM.

IIRC, all Ryzen 7000 CPUs have onboard RDNA2 graphics, even the X3D ones.
Therefore, you're probably waiting for the 8c/16t 7800X3D.

ChaitanyaWould be interesting if we ever a proper 8C APU with 3D V-cache or some qty of on die RAM.

It would be interesting to have an APU with more cache, even if it's not 3dv. In all APU models of the last few generations, the cache has been significantly trimmed compared to the main line of desktop processors.

ChaitanyaWould be interesting if we ever a proper 8C APU with 3D V-cache or some qty of on die RAM.

A nice blob of fast hbm instead of a ccd.

WonkoTheSaneUKIIRC, all Ryzen 7000 CPUs have onboard RDNA2 graphics, even the X3D ones.
Therefore, you're probably waiting for the 8c/16t 7800X3D.

The integrated graphics on the current Ryzen 7000 chips is extremely basic. A "proper" APU would have something more substantial, like on the 5000G chips.

Sadly the 7800x3dv is not on sale on day one. I guess they will be using all bad chips that did not make into 7950x3dv to it while charging lot of money for it. The 7800x3dv should have been for sale at maximum of 300 usd on day one. The only good thing staying on AMD yet is the motherboard longevity but that policy can change anytime and pull an intel on us, am5 price is ridiculous.

MetroidSadly the 7800x3dv is not on sale on day one. I guess they will be using all bad chips that did not make into 7950x3dv to it while charging lot of money for it. The 7800x3dv should have been for sale at maximum of 300 usd on day one. The only good thing staying on AMD yet is the motherboard longevity but that policy can change anytime and pull an intel on us, am5 price is ridiculous.

Some say that AMD is sitting on the 7800 version to soak up extra cash from buyers with deep pockets and little patience.

MetroidSadly the 7800x3dv is not on sale on day one. I guess they will be using all bad chips that did not make into 7950x3dv to it while charging lot of money for it.

I don't think that's the case. As far as I have understood the binning, they have been collecting regular 7800X, 7900X and 7950X to turn them into 3D Cache variants. It should be a 1:1 conversion, i.e. only 7800X will be turned into 7800X3D (and only 7900X become 7900X3D while only 7950X become 7950X3D).

AMD know that the 7800X3D will be the most popular version by far. The decision to delay the CPU is probably a simple matter of building up more inventory for a hard launch.

RogueSixI don't think that's the case. As far as I have understood the binning, they have been collecting regular 7800X, 7900X and 7950X to turn them into 3D Cache variants. It should be a 1:1 conversion, i.e. only 7800X will be turned into 7800X3D (and only 7900X become 7900X3D while only 7950X become 7950X3D).

AMD know that the 7800X3D will be the most popular version by far. The decision to delay the CPU is probably a simple matter of building up more inventory for a hard launch.

AMD uses chiplets, each chiplet has 8 cores, the good ones stay with 7950x, the bad ones go to 7900x and lower, want the best chip? only buy 7950x.

MetroidThe 7800x3dv should have been for sale at maximum of 300 usd on day one

If we're throwing unreleastic numbers why not 30$? Or free, you get a cpu, and you get a cpu, EVERYONE GETS A CPU!!!


Let's be serious now, not even the 5800x3d is at 300$ yet lol

RogueSixThe decision to delay the CPU is probably a simple matter of building up more inventory for a hard launch.

It's the classic lead with the best halo product, others follow that happens with every launch since forever, why are people even surprised!?

trsttteIf we're throwing unreleastic numbers why not 30$? Or free, you get a cpu, and you get a cpu, EVERYONE GETS A CPU!!!


Let's be serious now, not even the 5800x3d is at 300$ yet lol



It's the classic lead with the best halo product, others follow that happens with every launch since forever, why are people even surprised!?

That is not unrealistic, do the math 7950x3d top of the stack is 700 usd 16 cores, best binned chips, lot room to undervolt and or underlock, overclock it, so 8 cores should cost at least 60% of 700 usd which is around 300 usd, that is math and math is not unrealistic, but yes I do understand your point, this is not about math is about greedy because supply and demand is not there for these chips, plenty of 5800x3d available, reason why is still not around 300 usd yet is because amd like nvidia has been stopping putting more in the market even though there is plenty in the market and pc market is down 40% this year.

trsttteIf we're throwing unreleastic numbers why not 30$? Or free, you get a cpu, and you get a cpu, EVERYONE GETS A CPU!!!

People need to realize unless you really need it ~ you can always skip it! Don't give corporations any power over you.

Metroidso 8 cores should cost at least 60% less than 700% which is around 300 usd

I guess you've already calculated their margins worldwide & future projections on their sale, plus the yields on these chips?

trsttteIt's the classic lead with the best halo product, others follow that happens with every launch since forever, why are people even surprised!?

I wouldn't exactly call the 7950X3D and the 7900X3D "halo" products due to the issues with the affinity and because of the requirements to enable 'game mode' as well as install the crappy Xbox Game Bar. For me that is the polar opposite of "halo" :D .

The 7800X3D will, by far, be the best and most interesting CPU for gamers. No fiddling, no forced 'game mode', no forced yucky Xbox Game Bar... just plug & play for carefree gaming!

Well my 7900X3D is on pre-order. The price was $799(Canadian). It is $220 more than the 7900X but I personally do not care as I already have a 5800X3D and can't wait to see what more cores, cache and clock speed provide. I got some of these for just over $200.

www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374369?Item=N82E16820374369

By Friday you probably won't see many posts from me over the weekend as every Game I like to play will be sampled. Will Just Cause 4 maintain over 200 FPS at 4K? We are going to find out. Like I have said in previous posts though the best thing about the X3D chips are the exemplary 1% lows that translate into the smoothest experience you could feel in a modern high end PC. Before I sell my 5800X3D, I am going to pair it with a 6500XT and see for myself if you need a high and GPU to appreciate the 5800X3D.

You already know what board I am getting so the total cost was $1700 Canadian. That is not cheap but still less than a single 4090. I could have saved about $350 but I wanted a board with flexible PCIe, M2 storage.

On a totally different tangent the WD AN1500 is the fastest at loading Forspoken in my array including M2 RAID, SSD RAID and high speed 4.0 drives like the 530.

RogueSixI wouldn't exactly call the 7950X3D and the 7900X3D "halo" products due to the issues with the affinity and because of the requirements to enable 'game mode' as well as install the crappy Xbox Game Bar. For me that is the polar opposite of "halo" :D .

The 7800X3D will, by far, be the best and most interesting CPU for gamers. No fiddling, no forced 'game mode', no forced yucky Xbox Game Bar... just plug & play for carefree gaming!

The thing is Game Bar is integrated into Windows anyway.

They will be selling like hot cakes! Pun intended. :)

RogueSixI don't think that's the case. As far as I have understood the binning, they have been collecting regular 7800X, 7900X and 7950X to turn them into 3D Cache variants. It should be a 1:1 conversion, i.e. only 7800X will be turned into 7800X3D (and only 7900X become 7900X3D while only 7950X become 7950X3D).

AMD know that the 7800X3D will be the most popular version by far. The decision to delay the CPU is probably a simple matter of building up more inventory for a hard launch.

Look they are not collecting anything.
Or converting anything.
These X3D chips aren't made from the best or worse bin.
They're made on mass out of selected wafer's then rated, binned then put on a substrate and package.

The grinding that is essential to making these X3D chips is done at the wafer scale not individual unit scale Afaik.

MetroidThat is not unrealistic, do the math 7950x3d top of the stack is 700 usd 16 cores, best binned chips, lot room to undervolt and or underlock, overclock it, so 8 cores should cost at least 60% of 700 usd which is around 300 usd, that is math and math is not unrealistic, but yes I do understand your point, this is not about math is about greedy because supply and demand is not there for these chips, plenty of 5800x3d available, reason why is still not around 300 usd yet is because amd like nvidia has been stopping putting more in the market even though there is plenty in the market and pc market is down 40% this year.

It's not that simple. Putting 2 CCDs in a package instead of just one is not simply double the price - in fact is much cheaper than that in some regards - and you're making a lot of assumptions regarding binning and die quality that aren't necessirily true at all.


AMD is a business after all, of course they'll price the products in a scale regardless of product cost - i.e. it's common to disable functional parts to meet lower end product demand, is it wastefull? Yeah, but it's how the market works, without the profits from higher end cash cows with huge margins neither high nor low end products would ever get made. This happens in every thing, is not just technology.

RogueSixI wouldn't exactly call the 7950X3D and the 7900X3D "halo" products due to the issues with the affinity and because of the requirements to enable 'game mode' as well as install the crappy Xbox Game Bar. For me that is the polar opposite of "halo" :D .

Didn't know about that, arguably Xbox game bar makes them more Halo (ba dum tsss :D) but yeah, 7800 looks like the simpler and better options. You don't need a 16 core monster for games.

MetroidThat is not unrealistic, do the math 7950x3d top of the stack is 700 usd 16 cores, best binned chips, lot room to undervolt and or underlock, overclock it, so 8 cores should cost at least 60% of 700 usd which is around 300 usd, that is math and math is not unrealistic, but yes I do understand your point, this is not about math is about greedy because supply and demand is not there for these chips, plenty of 5800x3d available, reason why is still not around 300 usd yet is because amd like nvidia has been stopping putting more in the market even though there is plenty in the market and pc market is down 40% this year.

Your not being realistic in a 7950X3D there are 4 separate dies on one interposer @£ 700(ish).

How the actual fffff is half the cores = -60%(not -50% like you know the Math indicates not)

A 7800X3D has 3 separate dies down only one on the bigger chip.

In fog brained math, equals reality mode that's 25% less hardware so the price HAS to be 700-25% surely because I said so?;?!???.

TheoneandonlyMrKYour not being realistic in a 7950X3D there are 4 separate dies on one interposer @£ 700(ish).

How the actual fffff is half the cores = -60%

A 7800X3D has 3 separate dies down only one on the bigger chip.

In fog brained math, equals reality mode that's 25% less hardware so the price HAS to be 700-25% surely because I said so?;?!???.

My math was based on actual cores, 16 x 8 ,700 usd x 350 usd, reason AMD wants idiots to buy the 7950x3d is because their profits are higher based on actual silicon price to manufacture it. What matters to people are performance based on core count. Anyway, even though 7950x3d has more cores, vcache was only placed on one ccd, so that is disappointing, should have been on both, but I guess they will launch a v2 7950x3d down the line with both ccd with cache to get more money.

MetroidMy math was based on actual cores, 16 x 8 ,700 usd x 350 usd, reason AMD wants idiots to buy the 7950x3d is because their profits are higher based on actual silicon price to manufacture it. What matters to people are performance based on core count. Anyway, even though 7950x3d has more cores, vcache was only placed on one ccd, so that is disappointing, should have been on both, but I guess they will launch a v2 7950x3d down the line with both ccd with cache to get more money.

Not likely in this generation possibly for next generation.

What matters to people differs by person, some couldn't care less your quite disappointed.

If you're math is based on actual cores 8 is 50% of 16?.

Anyway semantics, I and others refute your maths and your claims.

New platforms usually incurred a first in price gouge.
Business is business.

The price though is based on many things including what they Think people will pay, just don't pay, I'm not buying and tbh if you're on a recent generation, it's likely not worth upgrading.

Just some anecdotal data. The 7900X3D that I have on order is already on back order. That means that my order at 8:39 AM did not make this round. Good news though I called a friend at another store and they have it for a little more money at $839.99 but I will get it for the $799 I was quoted on my pre order. It is in a cabinet waiting for me to pick it up. My MB is out for delivery.

Hi,
Yep no surprise they are pricey
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TheoneandonlyMrKNot likely in this generation possibly for next generation.

What matters to people differs by person, some couldn't care less your quite disappointed.

If you're math is based on actual cores 8 is 50% of 16?.

Anyway semantics, I and others refute your maths and your claims.

New platforms usually incurred a first in price gouge.
Business is business.

The price though is based on many things including what they Think people will pay, just don't pay, I'm not buying and tbh if you're on a recent generation, it's likely not worth upgrading.

This is what I love about PC. It is yours to do with as you please. People whining about the price should see that the non X3D parts are quite lower than where they were in January. You don't have to spend North of $300 for a MB to enjoy AM5 anymore and DDR5 is about $40 more than DDR4 not $200. This chip is exactly for someone like me that appreciated the 5950X or 5900X and 5800X3D. Now I can get them both in 1 chip. I would pay a premium for that.

I agree that these are new but also wanted. AMD created a real movement among enthusiasts with chips like the 3300x and 5800X3D. The expensive AM5 boards have been moving this week (My board had 50 other people in cart on Newegg). I fully expect that when the 7800X3D launches that the flood gates will open as those B650 boards should be a little cheaper then with some PCIE 5.0 drives coming online then too.

Same price i paid for my 7950x on launch.. No complaints here, its been flawless.
X3D looks like a chart topper.. wouldnt make much sense for me since i play at 3840X1600@144Hz

TumbleGeorgeIt would be interesting to have an APU with more cache, even if it's not 3dv. In all APU models of the last few generations, the cache has been significantly trimmed compared to the main line of desktop processors.

It looks like that 3D cache is a massive difference to performance of the anemic integrated GPU in taking gaming from uplayable to playable. So I really hope AMD takes this concept a little furthur with their APUs.
www.pcmag.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d