Why ten-less? Did number pads suddenly go out of style while I wasn't looking?

trparkyWhy ten-less? Did number pads suddenly go out of style while I wasn't looking?

"It was the style, at the time."

I agree, it's insanely annoying. 95% of all new keyboards are TKL, which makes them absolutely useless if you do literally any data manipulation at all. Even just basic Excel work is ten times slower. It's so annoying, because I would LOVE a good wireless mechanical keyboard, but if you want one with a numpad, there are literally like 6 on the market. Not "6 from mainstream brands"; I mean 6, total, anywhere. And half of those use Bluetooth for the wireless, which makes them useless for gaming and annoying even for normal word processing because of the huge input delay.

That's not true... Corsair has two, Logitech has three, Cooler Master, ASUS, Filco, Ducky, Varmilo, Razer, Leopold... Heck even bestbuy has six
www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=pcmcat338200050013&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=features_facet%3DFeatures~Wireless%5Eformfactormv_facet%3DForm%20Factor~Full-size%5Ekeyboardtechnology_facet%3DKeyboard%20Technology~Mechanical&sc=Global&st=categoryid%24pcmcat338200050013&type=page&usc=All%20Categories

trparkyWhy ten-less? Did number pads suddenly go out of style while I wasn't looking?

It says in the title that's a gaming keyboard and after the 60/65 percent fad is gone, most gamers realized that TKL is the best layout. Compared with full size takes less space, you don't hit the keyboard with the mouse, you don't need numerical keys in most games, don't stay with your hands really far apart. Compared with 60/65 you still have the functions keys which are useful for me in games. Compared with 60 you also have the arrows keys which I'm using because I'm not always playing games on the game computer. Even for work I find TKL the best layout, but I don't have to input many numbers.

I have a keyboard with Topre switches and IMO are just over hyped, I had membrane keyboards which felt better, much smoother compared with Topre switches which were scratchy.

For gaming right now I'd buy Wooting, but there's no TKL available and the switches are wobbly. Or Steelseries Apex Pro TKL old version, not the 2023 model. And both are cheaper.

With that much money you could get yourself a true Hall Effect keyboard that's full size.

WorringlyIndifferent"It was the style, at the time."

I agree, it's insanely annoying. 95% of all new keyboards are TKL, which makes them absolutely useless if you do literally any data manipulation at all. Even just basic Excel work is ten times slower. It's so annoying, because I would LOVE a good wireless mechanical keyboard, but if you want one with a numpad, there are literally like 6 on the market. Not "6 from mainstream brands"; I mean 6, total, anywhere. And half of those use Bluetooth for the wireless, which makes them useless for gaming and annoying even for normal word processing because of the huge input delay.

Dude. You should seriously stop and think before you type. IF you are doing that kind of work. You are NOT buying a ****GAMING**** Keyboard!!!!! They literally make Keyboards designed SPECIFICALLY for that kind of input. You buy a 60% or TKL for G A M I N G.

There are literally 428 Full Size Keyboards on Amazon right now. Stop making up facts.

Neither here nor there but SFF keyboards were initially tailored towards programmers and people invested in better ergonomics

(and actually there are only a dozen or so wireless, mechanical full-size keyboards)

I like the look, but I've told myself I don't need any more keyboards for now. lol

4 is enough.

SeventhReignDude. You should seriously stop and think before you type. IF you are doing that kind of work. You are NOT buying a ****GAMING**** Keyboard!!!!! They literally make Keyboards designed SPECIFICALLY for that kind of input. You buy a 60% or TKL for G A M I N G.

There are literally 428 Full Size Keyboards on Amazon right now. Stop making up facts.

I should've specified - there are about 6 non-bluetooth wireless mechanical keyboards that have a numpad. Bluetooth keyboards are entirely useless for gaming, and annoying to use even for regular typing or data entry, because the input delay is unacceptably long and not even consistent.

But yes, the number was pretty much accurate. Off the top of my head, Logitech has 2 and I might have seen a single one from HyperX that fit the bill. They're vanishingly rare, and always extremely expensive.

I thought I shared a list of like a dozen in some other thread? Also looks like vortex just launched a new option and possibly Leopold? Not trying to argue just trying to help you in your search :)

vortexgear.store/products/one-4
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/leopold-at-computex-2023-updated-wired-and-wireless-keyboards.309839/