Saturday, March 11th 2023

Silicon Valley Bank Collapses, Causes Concern Within Tech Industry, Roku Divulges its SVB Investments

Technology Companies, Venture Capitalists and Startups are in panic after the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank on Friday, March 11, 2023. In the short term it will be a mess - customers of SVB have no access to FDIC insured deposits until Monday (March 13). Customers with investments below a $250,000 cap have been advised to make claims before a strict Monday deadline. The FDIC is forming plans to pay depositors, with investments greater than the aforementioned cap, a special dividend next week.
US Regulators have swooped in to recover assets from Silicon Valley Bank. This is the first failure of a North American banking group since the Great Recession of 2007 to 2009. Whispers of SVB's oncoming financial troubles were heard earlier this week, which prompted a run of withdrawals from the bank by worried customers. Regulators stated that they took swift action in order to "protect insured depositors." On Wednesday 8, SVB Financial Group, the bank's parent company, revealed plans of a sale of shares totalling $2.25 billion. This followed a reported loss of $2 billion, from the selling off of $21 billion of securities from its portfolio. The banking group had experienced slowdown from its investments in bonds.

Entertainment Streaming company Roku has revealed, via an SEC filing on Friday, that it has $487 million deposited with the crumbling Silicon Valley Bank. That sum represents roughly 26% of Roku's total cash reserves and equivalents. The company also mentioned that its investments with Silicon Valley Bank are mostly of an uninsured status. Roku said. "At this time, the company does not know to what extent the company will be able to recover its cash on deposit at SVB." A spokesperson for Roku told Business Insider by email, "As stated in our 8-K, we expect that Roku's ability to operate and meet its contractual obligations will not be impacted and we continue to have access to $1.4 billion in cash and cash equivalents which are distributed across multiple, large financial institutions."
It remains to be seen how many more companies will be affected by the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank. News outlets are today reporting that Roblox Corporation, Rocket Lab and Vice Media are SVB customers. Financial analysts are keeping an eye on the resulting fallout, and predictions have been posited regarding the fragile status of certain banking groups. The US Federal Reserve, as well as other international central banks, have sharply raised interest rates and borrowing costs in attempts to dampen the effects of inflation. This has had a knock-on effect on the bond market - portfolios decline in value as interest rates rise.
Sources: BBC News, Business Insider
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133 Comments on Silicon Valley Bank Collapses, Causes Concern Within Tech Industry, Roku Divulges its SVB Investments

#76
trsttte
Why_MeSo who is covering the tab. The US taxpayers?
trparkyOf course, we are!!! The US taxpayers are always screwed like this.
No, you won't cover anything. Short term "us taxpayers" (not really, just the fed moving numbers around) loan whatever needed to cover the deposits in the bank and long term they get everything back through the assets of the bank (i.e. those 10y and 30y bonds that started this mess).

The problem of SVB all things considered is relatively simple to solve, they just need cash to ensure deposits because they have their "own" irresponsibly tied in long term bonds that can't be cashed out now.
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#77
Why_Me
trsttteNo, you won't cover anything. Short term "us taxpayers" (not really, just the fed moving numbers around) loan whatever needed to cover the deposits in the bank and long term they get everything back through the assets of the bank (i.e. those 10y and 30y bonds that started this mess).

The problem of SVB all things considered is relatively simple to solve, they just need cash to ensure deposits because they have their "own" irresponsibly tied in long term bonds that can't be cashed out now.
Where does the Fed get its money from if not the taxpayers?
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#78
trparky
Why_MeWhere does the Fed get its money from if not the taxpayers?
Bingo.

Oh yeah, we'll just add it to the national debt that our great, great, great, great grandchildren will still be paying off in the distant future.
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#79
Legacy-ZA
Is it just me that hopes that Jensen had a stash of his ill-gotten gains there? :P
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#80
mama
trparkyOf course, we are!!! The US taxpayers are always screwed like this.
No, no bailout coming this time. Inflation is too high. Money can't be pumped in, or inflation becomes more of an issue.
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#81
TumbleGeorge
Preparing for the end of fiat cash? Is there a future for the dollar that you can hold in your hands, smell, hear the rustle of the material as you count bills, and the jingle of coins. Inhaling the smoke from the burning hundred dollar bill you use to light your expensive Cuban cigar.
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#82
dragontamer5788
trparkySo, in other words, us... the taxpayers. It always comes down upon us. It may be in a bit of a roundabout way but yes. it always comes down upon us.
FDIC members pay for FDIC insurance based off of FDIC assessments (which is roughly based on amount of liabilities in the bank). The bigger the bank, the more they pay for FDIC insurance.

Again, I'm not sure if its a very direct line to "American Taxpayers". FDIC insurance is paid for by banks directly. By being generous to your perspective, I can argue that these costs are passed onto the depositors (ie: anyone with a bank account). But personally speaking, my bank account balance is high enough that I don't pay any fees, though I can imagine that a number of people do pay banking fees.

So what paid for this, were the various fees that you paid to your bank. (Which in my case, is $0 directly, though banks like Bank of America obviously skim off of the interest rates, at least a little bit).

So I can see the argument that Americans (who by and large own bank accounts) are at least in the pool of money that goes into FDIC insurance. But the direct payments are from the banks themselves, and its only an indirect fee at best that ties the typical American to this whole process.
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#83
lemonadesoda
dragontamer5788They invoked the "systemic risk exception", so they're ignoring the ceiling for this case.
That's a new one on me! Is it a new rule they just invented - to protect people with political influence, or indeed themselves and their own investments. This needs a forensic audit trail!
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#84
Why_Me
dragontamer5788FDIC members pay for FDIC insurance based off of FDIC assessments (which is roughly based on amount of liabilities in the bank). The bigger the bank, the more they pay for FDIC insurance.

Again, I'm not sure if its a very direct line to "American Taxpayers". FDIC insurance is paid for by banks directly. By being generous to your perspective, I can argue that these costs are passed onto the depositors (ie: anyone with a bank account). But personally speaking, my bank account balance is high enough that I don't pay any fees, though I can imagine that a number of people do pay banking fees.

So what paid for this, were the various fees that you paid to your bank. (Which in my case, is $0 directly, though banks like Bank of America obviously skim off of the interest rates, at least a little bit).

So I can see the argument that Americans (who by and large own bank accounts) are at least in the pool of money that goes into FDIC insurance. But the direct payments are from the banks themselves, and its only an indirect fee at best that ties the typical American to this whole process.
The FDIC insurance maximum amount is $250,000 per customer. The US govt (taxpayers) is reimbursing them all their money.
lemonadesodaThat's a new one on me! Is it a new rule they just invented - to protect people with political influence, or indeed themselves and their own investments. This needs a forensic audit trail!
This ^^
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#85
lemonadesoda
UK news latest:The Government and the Bank of England have 'facilitated a private sale' of Silicon Valley Bank UK to HSBC , with 'no taxpayer support', Jeremy Hunt said today. The Chancellor added that customers of SVB UK will be able to access their deposits and banking services as normal from today. He also said that the transaction was facilitated by the Bank of England in consultation with the Treasury, using powers granted by the Banking Act 2009.
There is no way any due-diligence has been done at sufficient depth for the UK Gvt or HSBC to have any clue at all what the status of the balance sheet and liabilities are.

However, make be it's an opportunity to tech-wash the banks hidden reserves from
wikipediaGaddafi Libya claims (2011)
According to Global Witness and cited by BBC, "billions of dollars of assets" were held by the bank for the Libyan Investment Authority, controlled by Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Following Gaddafi's overthrow the bank declined to reveal information about the funds citing customer confidentiality.
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#86
erek
lemonadesodaThere is no way any due-diligence has been done at sufficient depth for the UK Gvt or HSBC to have any clue at all what the status of the balance sheet and liabilities are.

However, make be it's an opportunity to tech-wash the banks hidden reserves from

First Republic Bank stock plunges 60% as regional bank fears continue

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#87
TumbleGeorge
erek

First Republic Bank stock plunges 60% as regional bank fears continue

Didn't believe without liink :)
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#90
R0H1T
So looks like a precursor to 2008 disaster? From memory such massive crashes usually occur 8-10 years apart, at least here, the Covid led meltdown 3 years back wasn't really much of a crash taking into account the overall stock market performance before/after the first major wave hit! If this spreads to other smaller banks or one of the bigger ones we'll probably see a repeat of 15 years back, not to that scale probably but who knows :shadedshu:

We're overdue a major crash any way & this might be it.
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#91
Slizzo
R0H1TSo looks like a precursor to 2008 disaster?
No, it won't be. FDIC has already stepped in and this bank will not be bailed out.
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#92
R0H1T
Well what about the other banks? It isn't just about saving these banks or saving a bank, it's the larger sentiment that whether your money is safe or not. In that the stock markets act like a hive mind.
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#93
dragontamer5788
Yeah, remember that this FDIC deal still wipes out the shareholders entirely. In the case of SIVB, $Billions of shareholders were wiped out. They're going to get $0, when the stock price was $230 just last Wednesday.

So shareholders are still speculating on whether or not various banks will "make" it. Even with FDIC backing up depositors, there's no guarantee that shareholders will be anywhere near whole.
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#94
trparky
And now there's a rumor that a fourth bank is collapsing as I type this message. Again, it's a rumor so can't be sure.
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#96
trparky
R0H1TWhich one?
I'm just reading and hearing stuff, no one's mentioned a name yet so hence it's a rumor at this point.
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#97
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
It's funny how it's rumours that tend to make runs worse. What appears consistent is exposure to substantial digital (crypto) assets. I think it said Signature had 8 billion?
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#98
lemonadesoda
This is very interesting - I'm reading that "protecting crypto" is part of the strategy, as well as avoiding a run on smaller banks. reuters

Why would there be any interest in protecting crypto? It isn't something that the Federal Reserve would normally be interested in. Seems like there might be political leanings on what's going on - not just banking issues. When you look at www.circle.com/en/ , and you speculate how much "black assets" are now tied up in crypto - you can imagine a lot of geopolitical activities unravelling if payments systems stutter, and if black assets vapourise. This is very different from normal small-bank liquidity crises that we have had in the past.

We have a new fiscal management problem. In the past, altering interest rates and bond yields was a fabulous monetary policy for managing the economy. Now, the financial system is so leveraged (again), and the off-balance sheet effects (leveraging, derivatives, crypto, start up banks relatively poorly capitalised) are so large, that there is massive contagion risk, and normal macroeconomic steering can have massive unintended consequences.
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#99
R0H1T
lemonadesodaThis is very interesting - I'm reading that "protecting crypto" is part of the strategy, as well as avoiding a run on smaller banks. reuters

Why would there be any interest in protecting crypto? It isn't something that the Federal Reserve would normally be interested in. Seems like there might be political leanings on what's going on - not just banking issues. When you look at www.circle.com/en/ , and you speculate how much "black assets" are now tied up in crypto - you can imagine a lot of geopolitical activities unravelling if payments systems stutter, and if black assets vapourise. This is very different from normal small-bank liquidity crises that we have had in the past.
The one rule of autocracies/theocracies/democracies ~ you don't touch the political rulers' money!
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#100
dragontamer5788
the54thvoidIt's funny how it's rumours that tend to make runs worse. What appears consistent is exposure to substantial digital (crypto) assets. I think it said Signature had 8 billion?
Silicon Valley Bank had USDC / Circle. Silvergate bank (currently undergoing collapse for the past month) was #1 bank of crypto. Signature Bank was #2 bank of crypto (but remained diversified in mortgages and normal savings accounts as well).

Given the current set of banks in hot water, I think everyone should sell any stocks in a bank beginning with the letter "S". (But maybe the cryptocoin rumor is also true, who knows?)
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