Icon CharlieHARD PASS. This is again an example of the entire setup that has NO real true value vs performance.

Why in hell am I going to buy this when this CPU + MB + 64GB DDR5@ CL 30 @6200 is going to cost me +$300.00 w tax/ship when my 5900OEM (that performs like a 5900XT with lower temp) is comparable in performance (mostly around minus 5/10+% for the 5900OEM setup) ?

When they drop $50+ dollars minimum on their motherboards is when people can start talking.

But AMD won't. And this is one of the reason why I DO NOT like Dr. Lisa Su.

There is no 5900XT though? :laugh: I don't think Zen 4 is something anyone who owns a strong Zen 3-generation Ryzen 9 should be concerned with purchasing, especially if they have an eye for value.

Fire memes aside (my previous post in this thread was obvious humor if someone actually thought I was calling them for being incendiary, please disregard), these chips are great, but very much something only people on earlier generation CPUs or on an Intel 10th or earlier generation should be considering IMHO. Even then it competes with socket AM4, since you can drop a now cheap 5900/5900X/5950X or 5800X3D, purchase what is now very inexpensive DDR4 and experience masterclass performance without replacing anything, so this is basically for someone who has a very bad AM4 board or an earlier Intel chip, way I see it.

LandcrossI wanted to buy a 7700 because of the lower TDP (for in mini-itx system). But then I saw that the 7700x was €50+ cheaper than a 7700 (here in Europe) + a free game. I went with the 7700x and just turned down the tdp and stuff down in the bios. Works flawlessly. I basically got a 7700 for cheaper and it still has extra performance headroom if I ever want it in the future.

Hey if you can get a deal like that on a 7700X, I would too. :)

AlwaysHope7700 has some fantastic basics in its favour - 5.3GHz boost for a 8/16 chip & 65w TDP is pretty damm hard to beat! :rockout:

Given how little performance difference there was running my 5800X and 5800X3D at 105W stock or 65W eco modes, I'm tempted to say that there's very little value in spending extra for the X variant unless you really want to go for peak performance with maximum overclock (and all the motherboard, cooling, and effort that entails).

The sweet spot for both chips (for me, and my personal samples of these CPUs) appears to be a cTDP of about 80W (PPT=108W, TDC=80W, EDC=120W). There's very little performance left on the table, maybe 3% more performance for 30% more power draw.

Chrispy_Given how little performance difference there was running my 5800X and 5800X3D at 105W stock or 65W eco modes, I'm tempted to say that there's very little value in spending extra for the X variant unless you really want to go for peak performance with maximum overclock (and all the motherboard, cooling, and effort that entails).

The sweet spot for both chips (for me, and my personal samples of these CPUs) appears to be a cTDP of about 80W (PPT=108W, TDC=80W, EDC=120W). There's very little performance left on the table, maybe 3% more performance for 30% more power draw.

The 7700X likely has a higher resell value and comes with slightly higher clocks.
They're not the same if you ignore the TDP, and even then, TDP is a pointless metric because you can just set it to eachother's value.
Considering the cooler on the 7700 is alright at best (7600 comes with the shitty one, 7900 is questionable budgeting considering price of the CPU) I'd argue that the 7700X is worth at most a 5% premium over the 7700, but only if you're planning on buying a separate cooler.
If the 7700X is cheaper than the 7700 you should always be buying the 7700X.

And no, I'm not saying the 100MHz higher boost is going to make an appreciable difference...

NostrasIsn't hungary part of Schengen?

I missunderstood you for first time, sry, because of USD prices, and I thought you were comparing US and EU prices.

But anyway, that comment is not so relevant, because of the hungarian market typically adopt to price changing with delay. That is because of small market and different currency than EUR currency reagion. So, the retail companies probably try to minimize the ransfer risks...
After 2 days of that comment the
7700X 332EUR/367USD
7700 362EUR/400USD

But even for the 45USD price difference I could not agree with that to "worth" buying from a foreign webshop.
First: Customre care problems
Second: This consumer habit have negative effect to a national economy and if that evolve to a society wide shopping habit, that totally a negative financial spiral weaking the nation wide economy, because of the worst balance of the foreign trade balance. (In short: retail companies pay less in foreign currency (because of their margin), while the customer pay much more in the foreign currency, so all-in-all the national bank have to buy more foreign currency for the same goods...)
A local retail system is a national strategy question. For example I also do not recommend germans buy on Amazon, because they registered in Luxemburg, not in Germany, so every Amazon Margin are landing in Luxemburg and not in Germany.

good, i hope things get even worst for amd/nvidia

Dr. DroThere is no 5900XT though? :laugh: I don't think Zen 4 is something anyone who owns a strong Zen 3-generation Ryzen 9 should be concerned with purchasing, especially if they have an eye for value.

Fire memes aside (my previous post in this thread was obvious humor if someone actually thought I was calling them for being incendiary, please disregard), these chips are great, but very much something only people on earlier generation CPUs or on an Intel 10th or earlier generation should be considering IMHO. Even then it competes with socket AM4, since you can drop a now cheap 5900/5900X/5950X or 5800X3D, purchase what is now very inexpensive DDR4 and experience masterclass performance without replacing anything, so this is basically for someone who has a very bad AM4 board or an earlier Intel chip, way I see it.

Yea I goofed :) You are right... 5900Xt supposed to be 5900X, Got that mixed up with my 5700XT

But The point stands. I am not upgrading my rig that will cost me $200+more dollars to get roughly the same performance.

This is wrong in every aspect and secondly there are hundreds of thousands of people that have bought the 5000 series that are in the same situation that I am in.

Finally I have been proven correct once again concerning the shoddy quality coming from AMD and tech in General.

EVERYONE in the Tech industry is cutting corners to make maximum profit.

Examples.
ASUS It used to be "The Premier company". It's now completely GARBAGE. I had problems with them going as far as 13 years ago. They have only gotten worse. IMHO don't BUY their products at all.

Ngreedia.. Currently with the god damn low quality 4070 Video Cards. 1/2 PCB size of a Standard GPU board with lower quality components being sold AT stupid prices. This is a $399.00 video card AT best considering all of the cost cutting measures being done on it.. NOT a $600+ dollar card. I can go on about the current quality of this and the 3000 series of Video Cards but I think people get the point. You are buying a polished TURD

It's nice...
It's shiny...
But it is still a effing TURD.

AMD... We can now stop with the effing praised of that that company that has lobotomized innovation and quality for the sake of being like Ngreedia.

1. The AMD tax on the motherboards. This is ABSOLUTE BS. Essentially double the price for substandard performance.

2. The 7000 series of CPU's. What the hell is wrong with them. Besides causing fire, high wattage, high heat and overall subpar performance for what you purchase. Again my 5900OEM, running as good if not better than a standard 5900X (PBA -30) (heh got it right now) @ lower Temps. I don't want a damned heater/ microwave combination during the hot summer months.

3. AMD and the Infinity fabric. Come on man this is now close to a decade old concept that was great when it came out in Gen 1 Ryzens. But in reality this is ONLY cost cutting move to get more usable components out of the silicon wafers. I have no issue with that except you WILL have latency issues. You just can not go around this aspect.

It is MHO that one of the reasons why AMD's decision for the 7000 series family and beyond is planned obsolescence to try to force their customer base into a new technological ecosystem. And that opinion will not change.

Because I've been dealing with mind set of people that are like those coming from Silicon Valley for 46 long years.

I just know the games that corporations and people play.

Like Mr. Brian Krzanich... Former CEO of Intel and what cause him to resign. Yup... I know that mindset as well.

Which is why I do NOT like Dr. Lisa Su. She is no innovator. She is your standard cookie cutter CEO.

In this case just give her a leather jacket and with Jenson and watch them activate WONDER TWIN POWERS OF CONSUMERISM!!!

Hehehe. :peace: