Sunday, May 14th 2023

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti to Feature a PCI-Express 4.0 x8 Bus Interface

NVIDIA has traditionally refrained from lowering the PCIe lane counts on its mid-range GPUs, doing so only with its most entry-level SKUs, however, this is about to change with the GeForce RTX 40-series. A VideoCardz report says that the upcoming GeForce RTX 4060 Ti, based on the AD106 silicon, comes with a host interface of PCI-Express 4.0 x8.

While this is still plenty of interface bandwidth for a GPU of this market segment, with bandwidth comparable to that of PCI-Express 3.0 x16, using the RTX 4060 Ti on older platforms, such as 10th Gen Intel Core "Comet Lake," or even much newer processors such as the AMD Ryzen 5700G "Cezanne," would run the GPU at PCI-Express 3.0 x8, as the GPU physically lacks the remaining 8 lanes. The lower PCIe lane count should simplify board design for AIC partners, as it reduces the PCB traces and SMDs associated with each individual PCIe lane. Much like DRAM chip traces, PCIe traces are meticulously designed by EDA software (and later validated), to be of equal length across all lanes, for signal integrity.
Source: VideoCardz
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58 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti to Feature a PCI-Express 4.0 x8 Bus Interface

#51
Lew Zealand
TechHalpIt's only 50% faster with x16 minimum on the rtx 3080 so I guess your 'feelings' that there are no drawbacks are totally worthless.

Who knew feelings were such a useless concept in the technology field driven by measurable, objective evidence. Wow!

tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/images/average-fps_3840-2160.png
Your link shows that the RTX 3080 is all of 1% faster with full PCIe 4.0 bandwidth vs half the bandwidth 4.0 x8 or 3.0 x16. Or 4.7% faster than using quarter bandwidth 2.0 x16 / 3.0 x8 / 4.0 x4.

If csendesmark's 7900 XT responds similarly then he's seeing a 1-2% reduction, which would "feel" identical. Where is your 50% number coming from?
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#52
ValenOne
csendesmarkI am using my RX 7900 XT at PCIe gen4 8×, and feel no drawbacks.
So the RTX 4060 will be just fine, but I would love to see benchmarks with gen3 8×.
RX 7900 XT has 20 GB VRAM, hence spillover into PCIe 4.0 lanes with system memory is less.
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#54
csendesmark
ValenOneRX 7900 XT has 20 GB VRAM, hence spillover into PCIe 4.0 lanes with system memory is less.
I see this otherwise, in this other test by TPU, and I am also really love them because these amazing in depth tests:
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/
I see the same "loss" on this card as for the RTX 4090 (with 24GB),
You lost about 1~2% when switch from gen4 to gen3
BF V has one of the biggest differences of all and this is still marginal:
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#55
Chrispy_
64KRTX 4060 Ti may already be in reviewers hands but the reviewers are probably under NDA to not discuss it yet. It doesn't appear that the 4060 Ti will be a lot faster in performance than the 3060 Ti but without thorough reviews I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
No need to really guess or wait for reviews, the laptop 4070 is the desktop 4060Ti, running at about 75% of the clockspeed and reviews of that have been out for ages now.

It's very evident that the goal of the 40-series mainstream cards is to provide the minimum viable upgrade over the previous generation while providing the maximum cuts to manufacturing costs, and therefore profits. Nvidia sure as hell aren't selling them for less :D
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#56
lexluthermiester
csendesmarkThe same card with a PCIe Gen4 16× would not do any better, so I would not call it a limitation.
That's an opinion. And I'm not willing to explain why cheaping out on 8x VS 16x can be a disadvantage(I'll give a hint though, per-channel PCIe latancy is a thing).
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#57
Paranoir andando
csendesmarkI see this otherwise, in this other test by TPU, and I am also really love them because these amazing in depth tests:
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/
I see the same "loss" on this card as for the RTX 4090 (with 24GB),
You lost about 1~2% when switch from gen4 to gen3
BF V has one of the biggest differences of all and this is still marginal:
The biggest problem occurs when the GPU runs out of memory and has to search data through the pcie 3.0 x8 . I think you should look for a card with 48GB of vram, or 96GB.

But the worse problem is not that it has PCIe 8x, the problem es why?, Why does it have PCIe 8x ?
and the answer is easy, because it's a 4050 with a fake name
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#58
csendesmark
Paranoir andandoThe biggest problem occurs when the GPU runs out of memory and has to search data through the pcie 3.0 x8 . I think you should look for a card with 48GB of vram, or 96GB.
Okay, when I find a game which uses more than 20GB VRAM will see
Can you please advice which cards have 48 or 96 GB of VRAM :laugh:
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