lasI am no ARPG veteran for sure, the genre is too repetative for me in general but I enjoyed D4 campaign and end-game more than any other Diablo I have tried for sure. Beat Uber Lillith and did Nightmare Dungeons in the 80-90 range, which is good enough for me, then I stopped because of other games. I will come back at S2 probably

D4 was waaay better than D3. Story, gameplay, setting and end-game. Never liked PoE really



You seriously liked D3 campaign and end-game better? For me, it was terrible in comparison to D4

I guess we are all different but D4 seems like a bigger success than D3 in terms of sales and reviews

Bro, you are very funny, I give you that. And stubborn.
Just go and buy DIABLO II - Resurrected, if you want true quality, and what a Diablo game should mean. Even D1 is way better than the D4 garbage junk.
Just listen to those outstanding soundtracks from D1 and D2, if you want to understand why this "minor" details is the difference between a mediocre and all time best game. ;)
The SoundTracks from D1 and D2 are still considered THE BEST from ALL gaming history, together with the ones from StarCraft and WarCraft 2. This was happening when Blizzard was the best gaming company in the world. Many long years ago sadly...

Prima.VeraBro, you are very funny, I give you that. And stubborn.
Just go and buy DIABLO II - Resurrected, if you want true quality, and what a Diablo game should mean. Even D1 is way better than the D4 garbage junk.
Just listen to those outstanding soundtracks from D1 and D2, if you want to understand why this "minor" details is the difference between a mediocre and all time best game. ;)
The SoundTracks from D1 and D2 are still considered THE BEST from ALL gaming history, together with the ones from StarCraft and WarCraft 2. This was happening when Blizzard was the best gaming company in the world. Many long years ago sadly...

Stay a while and listen... ;)
I can still replay d2 and enjoy it. And D2R 'works' too, precisely because it kept all of its mechanics, art and music. The scope is smaller compared to d4 and yet there is more to do. Strange how that works.

Outback BronzeJust went to log on to see how many hours I've done and it's doing a 3GB update.

Pretty sure I killed the first boss and was prob halfway/three quarts through to getting to the next boss and I that's when I lost interest..

I see where your mistake is. It's somewhere between hearing the game announcement and installing it.

Prima.VeraThe SoundTracks from D1 and D2 are still considered THE BEST from ALL gaming history,

I'm not going to argue with that. Infact, I still jump on D2 just to hear those awesome No.1 sound tracks! I'll still love venturing into old Tristram for that main reason.

Shame, shame they killed Deckard Cain off in D3..

zlobbyI see where your mistake is. It's somewhere between hearing the game announcement and installing it.

Now I'm wondering why I even did install it unfortunately, but I'm such a huge fan of 1 & 2 and not so much of 3 that I had to at least check it out.

I will eventually press on with D4 at some point, just not sure when.

The SoundTracks from D1 and D2 are still considered THE BEST from ALL gaming history, together with the ones from StarCraft and WarCraft 2. This was happening when Blizzard was the best gaming company in the world.

SC died too soon, they should have remade that instead of WC3

I know they won't provide Steam keys to people that already bought the game on Battle.net. If they did, they would earn some goodwill from the community, but they don't care about that. I bet they are hoping people that bought the Battle.net version will re-buy it on Steam. What's funny is that when you buy it on Steam, you have to link your Battle.net account. Buying it on Steam is just a glorified license to download and play it on Steam even though you still have to use your own Battle.net account anyways. I miss the good old Blizzard of long days past. All they care about now is money and screw any goodwill. What a shame. :(

I am going to get a laugh when it releases on Steam and gets hit with very negative reviews.

BigshrimpI know they won't provide Steam keys to people that already bought the game on Battle.net. If they did, they would earn some goodwill from the community, but they don't care about that. I bet they are hoping people that bought the Battle.net version will re-buy it on Steam. What's funny is that when you buy it on Steam, you have to link your Battle.net account. Buying it on Steam is just a glorified license to download and play it on Steam even though you still have to use your own Battle.net account anyways. I miss the good old blizzard of long days past. All they care about now is money and screw any goodwill. What a shame. :(

I think it's going to backfire when they actually have to be exposed to reviews on the store page

TechHalpI think it's going to backfire when they actually have to be exposed to reviews on the store page

Absolutely. It will be just like when Overwatch 2 hit Steam, lol. Greed has overtaken reason...

Outback BronzeNow I'm wondering why I even did install it unfortunately, but I'm such a huge fan of 1 & 2 and not so much of 3 that I had to at least check it out.

I will eventually press on with D4 at some point, just not sure when.

I was implying that your mistake was buying it in first place. :)

And please don't. Go for PoE2 or for the first installment of PoE. Hell, even go for D3. All those will bring you better time than D4.

zlobbyI was implying that your mistake was buying it in first place. :)

Yeah kinda got that matey, was just trying to be nice to the Diablo franchise that I most dearly love :(

TechHalpSC died too soon, they should have remade that instead of WC3

But there is. They re-made it with the StarCraft 2 engine part of SC1 campaigns mod or something.

TechHalpSC died too soon, they should have remade that instead of WC3

I don't think anyone should have or should ever let the team behind Warcraft 3 Reforged near Starcraft.

kapone32We can be different but calling Grim Dawn boring is in the minority. Trust me ARPGs are one of my Favourite genres and I did enjoy the hell out of Diablo 1 and 2 but there have been other ARPGS that I rank over D3.

I think it was and reviews for Grim Dawn were worse than D4 as well + Sales are low compared to D4

neatfeatguyI don't really understand this. You'd still be required to have an account with Blizzard to run the game. Sure, buy it from Valve, but Steam is still required to link with battlenet (or whatever it is called these days with Blizzard) to verify the game key/activation and then to even let the game run because it requires active internet to Blizzard's servers to run the game.

Just buy the game from Blizzard and cut out the middle man (Steam/Valve).

You simply link Battle.net with Steam and get all your games on Steam - if they are present on Steam - meaning you don't have to launch Battle.net at all.

Most people prefer to have their games on Steam and not need to launch and install 10 other launchers

Prima.VeraBro, you are very funny, I give you that. And stubborn.
Just go and buy DIABLO II - Resurrected, if you want true quality, and what a Diablo game should mean. Even D1 is way better than the D4 garbage junk.
Just listen to those outstanding soundtracks from D1 and D2, if you want to understand why this "minor" details is the difference between a mediocre and all time best game. ;)
The SoundTracks from D1 and D2 are still considered THE BEST from ALL gaming history, together with the ones from StarCraft and WarCraft 2. This was happening when Blizzard was the best gaming company in the world. Many long years ago sadly...

Lets see

opencritic.com/game/11620/diablo-ii-resurrected

vs

opencritic.com/game/14353/diablo-iv

D2 Resurrected is mediocre. I played it, thankfully for free. Simply just a quick money grab. D4 is way better.

You might think D2R is better, sure, but reviews and the majority don't. Compare sales and you will see.

Vanilla D1 and D2 is literally garbage today

EatingDirtSeason 2 for D4 is basically just a Quality-of-Life season. Blizzard continue to disappoint with boring, meaningless, content starved seasons just like Diablo 3.

Not sure what you mean by PoE being a grind though. It's a similar grind in Diablo 3, the only difference is Path of Exile constantly had new interesting content added in the form of seasons compared to Diablo 3.

Yeah I guess thats why tons of streamers, youtubers and players plan to return with S2 :roll:

PoE is a grind for sure. This is what hardcore nolifers prefer.

zlobbyI was implying that your mistake was buying it in first place. :)

And please don't. Go for PoE2 or for the first installment of PoE. Hell, even go for D3. All those will bring you better time than D4.

D3 is literally trash compard to D4 :laugh: looks like garbage as well, like most ARPGs.

D4 is in a league of its own when it comes to graphics and sound in the ARPG genre. This is fact.

lasI think it was and reviews for Grim Dawn were worse than D4 as well + Sales are low compared to D4


You simply link Battle.net with Steam and get all your games on Steam - if they are present on Steam - meaning you don't have to launch Battle.net at all.

Most people prefer to have their games on Steam and not need to launch and install 10 other launchers



Lets see

opencritic.com/game/11620/diablo-ii-resurrected

vs

opencritic.com/game/14353/diablo-iv

D2 Resurrected is mediocre. I played it, thankfully for free. Simply just a quick money grab. D4 is way better.

You might think D2R is better, sure, but reviews and the majority don't. Compare sales and you will see.

Vanilla D1 and D2 is literally garbage today


Yeah I guess thats why tons of streamers, youtubers and players plan to return with S2 :roll:

PoE is a grind for sure. This is what hardcore nolifers prefer.


D3 is literally trash compard to D4 :laugh: looks like garbage as well, like most ARPGs.

D4 is in a league of its own when it comes to graphics and sound in the ARPG genre. This is fact.

LMAO, maybe if you repeat it another dozen times you might start believing it yourself :roll: :roll: :roll:
Play what you like, does it matter how many influencers join you in your crusade? Its so sad, I can't even. If you need a bunch of marketing inspired reviewers to share your beliefs you're doing it wrong mate. Facts.

Vayra86LMAO, maybe if you repeat it another dozen times you might start believing it yourself :roll: :roll: :roll:
Play what you like, does it matter how many influencers join you in your crusade? Its so sad, I can't even. If you need a bunch of marketing inspired reviewers to share your beliefs you're doing it wrong mate. Facts.

Yeah, I play what I like, I think most people do that :roll:

Marketing inspired reviews, LMAO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This is not IGN saying the game is good, every reviewer does

I trust my own experience and every review over what a random nobody on Techpowerup Forums says. Hahahahaa :roll: :roll:

So many in this thread wants Blizz and D4 to fail, it's almost funny. Yet 10+ million sales and 666+ million dollars in revenue within 5 days of release - PoE developers can only dream :laugh: :laugh:

God I love these forums :nutkick:

lasYeah, I play what I like, I think most people do that :roll: :roll: :roll:

Marketing inspired reviews, LMAO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This is not IGN saying the game is good, everyone does

Ignorance is bliss, they say ;)
You don't even see the contradiction in what you're saying :toast: Enjoy D4!

Vayra86Ignorance is bliss, they say ;)
You don't even see the contradiction in what you're saying :toast: Enjoy D4!

Enjoy spending your life grinding in PoE 2 as well :laugh: :laugh:

lasI think it was and reviews for Grim Dawn were worse than D4 as well + Sales are low compared to D4


You simply link Battle.net with Steam and get all your games on Steam - if they are present on Steam - meaning you don't have to launch Battle.net at all.

Most people prefer to have their games on Steam and not need to launch and install 10 other launchers



Lets see

opencritic.com/game/11620/diablo-ii-resurrected

vs

opencritic.com/game/14353/diablo-iv

D2 Resurrected is mediocre. I played it, thankfully for free. Simply just a quick money grab. D4 is way better.

You might think D2R is better, sure, but reviews and the majority don't. Compare sales and you will see.

Vanilla D1 and D2 is literally garbage today


Yeah I guess thats why tons of streamers, youtubers and players plan to return with S2 :roll:

PoE is a grind for sure. This is what hardcore nolifers prefer.


D3 is literally trash compard to D4 :laugh: looks like garbage as well, like most ARPGs.

D4 is in a league of its own when it comes to graphics and sound in the ARPG genre. This is fact.

Wow, just wow. At 4K Grim Dawn is absolutely beautiful. All Good ARPGs have great Music and Graphics. I can see that you like to follow the narrative but it doesn't matter. Once you do some Missions and there are a ton of side missions too and get your Magic going Grim Dawn shows you it's quality. That is not something you can do in a Weekend.

D4 may be your jam but it is not mine. I like to get right into ARPGs with good Pacing and solitary Gameplay. I recently finished KOA in the last year and that was excellent. Does anyone talk about it? Probably not but that does not mean it is not good. Blizzard are also showing too much Greed in the base Game. I can buy a horse but don't have enough experience to earn one? Futhermore I am sure that my experience with D4 mirrors the stats in terms of Gameplay now you are saying that S2 will bring people back acknowledging that the Game has been abandoned by many users and there are plenty of other Games to play. It's not like you can play Warcraft or D3 on Steam so this is all about exposure.

When you talk about POE you are forgetting that you don't have to spend 1 cent on the Game and the RPG element in terms of the tech tree is overwheleming and engrossing like no other ARPG.

At the end of the day Games are the most subjective product and ARPGs went through the Torchlight, Victor Vran and some other phase that gave it proper treatment Grim Dawn is the culmination of that period. Now we have 3D ARPGs like KOA in the form Greedfall and ARPG/platformers that you have never heard of like Raji: An Ancient Epic that are sweet.

lasI think it was and reviews for Grim Dawn were worse than D4 as well + Sales are low compared to D4

D2 Resurrected is mediocre. I played it, thankfully for free. Simply just a quick money grab. D4 is way better.

You might think D2R is better, sure, but reviews and the majority don't. Compare sales and you will see.

Vanilla D1 and D2 is literally garbage today

Yeah I guess thats why tons of streamers, youtubers and players plan to return with S2 :roll:

PoE is a grind for sure. This is what hardcore nolifers prefer.

D3 is literally trash compard to D4 :laugh: looks like garbage as well, like most ARPGs.

D4 is in a league of its own when it comes to graphics and sound in the ARPG genre. This is fact.

People coming back to a game to check out another season, how remarkable. Thank you for pointing out a phenomenon that takes place is every single game that has seasons.

I suggest in the future you actually explain why, in your opinion, every single ARPG is worse than Diablo 4. Unless your criteria for a good game is only high sales, good graphics and sound, which were the only 3 criteria you actually mention.

I doubt most of us don't think D4 is a bad game, but many of us have experience playing other ARPG's than D4, and when you compare it to the other ARPG's it comes out lacking in several metrics that some of us value in ARPG's.

Just as an example, my criteria for a good ARPG is highly weighted toward gameplay, variety of builds, loot and new interesting seasons. D4 does 1 of 4 of those well, gameplay. D4 Characters have extremely limited builds, giving limited variety (making the likelihood of me coming back to the game low). The loot is remarkably uninteresting. Finally, the first season was unremarkable, and Season 2 looks to continue that trend(just like D3 seasons).

I think this is a great consumer win; I am personally fed-up of all the idiotic proprietary launches.
I am curios of the D4 campaign and I am excited to play it in coop.
Regarding it`s endgame, I am not opinionated because I am currently hooked on Grim Dawn, going blind through the endgame with my invented build which fells awesome.

lasD2 Resurrected is mediocre. I played it, thankfully for free. Simply just a quick money grab. D4 is way better.

You might think D2R is better, sure, but reviews and the majority don't. Compare sales and you will see.

Vanilla D1 and D2 is literally garbage today

You're a funny troll guy :)
Your only excuse for being this delulu is that you are too young and innocent, my little padawan. Even so, silliness can be tolerated that much....

lasEnjoy spending your life grinding in PoE 2 as well :laugh: :laugh:

Will do, enjoy playing a dead multiplayer game where they didn't bother to program in resistances and have no end game. They're working on diablo 5 already, RIP

This is a pure financial movement as it was for OVW2.
Since battlenet will die (be killed) one exercice or two after the merge with (absortion from) Microsoft they have released games on steam quarterly to buff revenue results of Blizzard division to ensure's Bobbys bonus, shareholders expectations, etc.
We will see f2p or similar model in the following month with WoW and more movements to squeeze Blizzard before the merge. Then will be the problem of current board no more.

KLMRThis is a pure financial movement as it was for OVW2.
Since battlenet will die (be killed) one exercice or two after the merge with (absortion from) Microsoft they have released games on steam quarterly to buff revenue results of Blizzard division to ensure's Bobbys bonus, shareholders expectations, etc.
We will see f2p or similar model in the following month with WoW and more movements to squeeze Blizzard before the merge. Then will be the problem of current board no more.

Someone is not afraid to use their head, it seems.