btarunris expected to build these CCDs on the TSMC N4P foundry node

TumbleGeorgeHmm what about rumours for "3"nm? I think that in next few months will have some capacity free of Apple.

tabascosauzNobody will use N3 (original), it's a shit experiment that only Apple signed up for, and will be dead node as soon as Apple stops using it. All other N3 customers will start on N3E or N3P, which are just starting production. So there's no "freed up capacity".

Nobody will be using N3 for this product either b/c they will pay $$$$ out the ass for all these CCDs. Neither do they need N3's characteristics - server clocks low, dense core probably even lower. At least until N3E/N3P becomes a mature, affordable node (like N6 was last year, like N5 was this year, like N4 is becoming now).

Crackong1x Zen5c CCD + V-cache = possible Best gaming CPU 2025 ?

btarunrThe problem with "c" cores is not cache, but lower Vcore limits. So it can't clock high enough.

CrackongIsn't that a perfect match with V-cache?
They've locked the vcore in all Zen4 V-cache SKUs anyway.

R0H1TAt some point they need to rationalize these codenames ~ Rome, Bergamo, Naples, Turin, Phoenix(2) et al, way too many of them :shadedshu:

CrackongIsn't that a perfect match with V-cache?
They've locked the vcore in all Zen4 V-cache SKUs anyway.

Vayra86Seems simple:
Italy

TumbleGeorgeHmm what about rumours for "3"nm? I think that in next few months will have some capacity free of Apple.

R0H1TAt some point they need to rationalize these codenames ~ Rome, Bergamo, Naples, Turin, Phoenix(2) et al, way too many of them :shadedshu:

zlobbyLike intel ones are better.

Count von Schwalbemaybe Cannon Lake could fix that?

Count von SchwalbeIDK, I rather enjoyed the thought of Coffee Lake and Whiskey Lake. Raptor Lake seemed kind of dangerous (maybe Cannon Lake could fix that?), though, and Ice Lake is way too cold for me.

I am curious as to the performance and efficiency of these compared to the Ampere Altra AmpereOne 192-core ARM-based CPU.

R0H1THow? Do you prefer gunpowder over mineral oil :laugh:

zlobbyOnly thing worse than intel's naming is nvidia's. Mofos think they are free to use famous people's names for their own gains!
Even worse, they think their products are worthy of bearing the said names!

Count von SchwalbeI apologise if I wasn't clear - this is what I was referring to.

DenverApparently all of these lakes really exist in the USA. I don't even want to know why it's called Whiskey Lake

Count von SchwalbeI apologise if I wasn't clear - this is what I was referring to.

btarunrThe high-density "Turin" MCM has the same sIOD as the regular "Turin," but with 12 "Zen 5c" CCDs. Each CCD has 16 "Zen 5c" cores share a 32 MB L3 cache. This is interesting—if you recall, the current "Zen 4c" CCD has two CCX (CPU core complexes) that each has 8 "Zen 4c" cores share a 16 MB L3 cache. The "Zen 5c" CCD doubles the total addressable L3 cache.

TumbleGeorgeHmm what about rumours for "3"nm? I think that in next few months will have some capacity free of Apple.

tabascosauzNobody will be using N3 for this product either b/c they will pay $$$$ out the ass for all these CCDs. Neither do they need N3's characteristics - server clocks low, dense core probably even lower. At least until N3E/N3P becomes a mature, affordable node (like N6 was last year, like N5 was this year, like N4 is becoming now).

R0H1TAt some point they need to rationalize these codenames ~ Rome, Bergamo, Naples, Turin, Phoenix(2) et al, way too many of them :shadedshu:

Crackong1x Zen5c CCD + V-cache = possible Best gaming CPU 2025 ?

dj-electricMaybe AMD could overcome this limitation with future core designs, who knows.

Tek-CheckAnd Turin dense should be arriving on N3 derivative.
Turin Dense is on N3 derivative.
Turin Dense should be on one of those two N3 derivatives.

DavenMy ideal Zen 5 desktop:
Zen 5 CCD - 8 (16) cores, 6+ GHz clocks, 15+% IPC
Zen 5c CCD - 16 (32) cores, 5+ GHx clocks, 15+% IPC, 128 MB 3D V cache
Total cores (threads): 24 (48)
Zen 5 IOD - major memory controller improvements (DDR6400+ without going into a lower gear), native USB4, RDNA4 with 4 CUs

tabascosauzProbably doesn't align with known N3P schedule, but if Zen 5 debuts in middle of 2024 then I guess it makes sense for N3E maturity/adoption.