Tuesday, January 9th 2024
AMD Announces New Socket AM4 Desktop Processors—5700X3D and 5000GT APUs
AMD Socket AM4 continues to be relevant even in 2024, nearly seven years since its introduction, with the company announcing several new processor models at CES. AMD has extended Ryzen 5000 series "Zen 3" support across all three desktop chipset series, including the oldest AMD 300-series, and since all Socket AM4 motherboards feature USB BIOS Flashback, users have the full spread of Socket AM4 processors to upgrade to. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D continues to be a popular final upgrade destination for gamers on Socket AM4 who may have spent a pretty penny building a high-end gaming desktop in 2020-21. The 5800X3D offers gaming performance comparable to an Intel Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake," despite being based on the older "Zen 3" microarchitecture, since it enjoys a large 96 MB L3 cache, thanks to AMD's innovative 3D Vertical Cache technology. The 5800X3D commands a $360 street price, which may be a little steep for some users, and so AMD is increasing choice, with the introduction of the new Ryzen 7 5700X3D.
The Ryzen 7 5700X3D is an 8-core/16-thread Socket AM4 processor, which is practically the same silicon as the 5800X3D, but with lower clock speeds, and more importantly a 30% lower price. While the 5800X3D commands $360 in the market, the new 5700X3D is coming in at an attractive $250. The 5700X3D comes with a base frequency of 3.00 GHz, and maximum boost frequency of 4.10 GHz. In comparison the 5800X3D has a 3.40 GHz base frequency, and 4.50 GHz boost. Both chips enjoy the same power limits, with a TDP of 105 W. The 5700X3D gets the same 96 MB of L3 cache that includes 64 MB of 3D Vertical Cache; and 512 KB of L2 cache per core. The I/O is identical, too, with a 24-lane PCI-Express Gen 4 interface, and dual-channel DDR4 memory, with DDR4-3600 being the sweetspot frequency.
Update Jan 9th: AMD clarified the specs of the Ryzen 5 5500GT in an updated slide. It is indeed a 6-core/12-thread processor.
AMD also introduced the Ryzen 7 5700. Much like the 5700X, 5700G, 5700X3D, 5800X, and 5800X3D; this is an 8-core/16-thread "Zen 3" based processor. It lacks integrated graphics, and so it is not an APU like the 5700G. However, it is based on the same 7 nm "Cezanne" monolithic silicon as the 5700G. Consider the 5700 to be the 5700G with its iGPU disabled. You get an 8-core/16-thread CPU based on "Zen 3," with 512 KB of L2 cache per core, and 16 MB L3 cache shared among all 8 cores. The clock speeds of the 5700 are nearly identical to the 5700G—the base frequency is set at 3.70 GHz (in comparison to the 3.80 GHz of the 5700G), while the boost frequency is identical between the two, at 4.60 GHz. AMD is launching the Ryzen 7 5700 at a $175 price that's nearly half the launch price of the 5700G when it came out in 2021.
Winding things up, AMD introduced a pair of interesting new APUs that should really draw some crowds to Socket AM4 at the entry level. The Ryzen 5 5600GT is a slightly faster version of the 5600G. It packs a 6-core/12-thread CPU clocked at 3.60 GHz base frequency, which may be lower than the 3.90 GHz of the 5600G, but with a higher maximum boost frequency of 4.60 GHz, compared to 4.40 GHz of the 5600G. The best part? You also get the Radeon Vega iGPU with 7 CU (448 stream processors). The 5600GT features 512 KB of L2 cache per core, and the full 16 MB L3 cache available on the "Cezanne" silicon. AMD is pricing the 5600GT at a very attractive $140. The Ryzen 5 5500GT is a slightly lower clocked version of the 5600GT at an even lower $125!
All four new Socket AM4 processors announced today should be available in the retail market from January 31.
The Ryzen 7 5700X3D is an 8-core/16-thread Socket AM4 processor, which is practically the same silicon as the 5800X3D, but with lower clock speeds, and more importantly a 30% lower price. While the 5800X3D commands $360 in the market, the new 5700X3D is coming in at an attractive $250. The 5700X3D comes with a base frequency of 3.00 GHz, and maximum boost frequency of 4.10 GHz. In comparison the 5800X3D has a 3.40 GHz base frequency, and 4.50 GHz boost. Both chips enjoy the same power limits, with a TDP of 105 W. The 5700X3D gets the same 96 MB of L3 cache that includes 64 MB of 3D Vertical Cache; and 512 KB of L2 cache per core. The I/O is identical, too, with a 24-lane PCI-Express Gen 4 interface, and dual-channel DDR4 memory, with DDR4-3600 being the sweetspot frequency.
AMD also introduced the Ryzen 7 5700. Much like the 5700X, 5700G, 5700X3D, 5800X, and 5800X3D; this is an 8-core/16-thread "Zen 3" based processor. It lacks integrated graphics, and so it is not an APU like the 5700G. However, it is based on the same 7 nm "Cezanne" monolithic silicon as the 5700G. Consider the 5700 to be the 5700G with its iGPU disabled. You get an 8-core/16-thread CPU based on "Zen 3," with 512 KB of L2 cache per core, and 16 MB L3 cache shared among all 8 cores. The clock speeds of the 5700 are nearly identical to the 5700G—the base frequency is set at 3.70 GHz (in comparison to the 3.80 GHz of the 5700G), while the boost frequency is identical between the two, at 4.60 GHz. AMD is launching the Ryzen 7 5700 at a $175 price that's nearly half the launch price of the 5700G when it came out in 2021.
All four new Socket AM4 processors announced today should be available in the retail market from January 31.
46 Comments on AMD Announces New Socket AM4 Desktop Processors—5700X3D and 5000GT APUs
I appreciate the effort by AMD in any case. I've been thinking about building 2x PCs for my nieces (subject to their parent's approval) since they're getting to that age where it'd be helpful to them. A 5700X3D for gaming + overall performance would be great. Though I guess they should be able to make due with something much cheaper than that even. I'll still have to think about specs, but $250 for this kind of processor + cache is obviously a huge bargain.
However, I've seen OCing done on the 5800X3D: I wonder if a 'mild compensatory OC' (like price-perf. scroungers would do back in the day) is possible?
I'd not seriously looked into it, as I'd (previously) settled on a 5800X3D, and figured I'd be at least as happy w/ its OoB boosting as I am w/ my 5600's.
What graphics cards are you going to buy for them? AFAIK, 3D chips doesn't show much improvement with slower GPU's.
I had a 5800X before the X3D; in terms of my (basic) computing its meant bupkis, while the gaming difference is noticeable.
Official Product Pages on AMD.com are up for the 5700X3D and 5700(Cezanne)
5700X3D
www.amd.com/en/product/14101
5700
www.amd.com/en/product/13926
5600X3D : 5700X3D : 5800X3D : 5700
Doesn't even seem that long ago when you could buy a 65nm dual core celeron e1200 and go from 1.6ghz to 3.4 and just throw caution to the wind cause it was like $50 new and you knock on the door of some much more expensive cpus. It really makes me wish intel would release a new overclockable Celeron K-series chip that let us go nuts on a few e-cores.
Due to limitations, i.e the extra cache sharing the same voltage rail as the CPU Vcore, it is not possible to have these running beyond 1.35V. And it takes just a tiny bit of overvoltage to fry that cache. So these can't be OC'ed unless you have a Bclk OC'ing functionality. They are limited but provide excellent performance in Games. The 5800X3D provides up to 4.5GHz of boost which seems better value.
To put it simply; they are not thrashing out working silicon obviously. If you can rebrand it to a model like this and still sell it it's a profit. AMD pays approx 25.000$ per wafer. You want to extract as much as possible working chips.
However, 5600X3D-5800X3D all use one CCD. The Dual-CCD 5900X3D and 5950X3D absolutely did exist, by AMD's own admissions, presentations, etc. Merely, they were never serially-produced into a retail/OEM SKU.Sadly, the TSVs and the vCache stack are bonded in manufacture; even if that were possible, it would not be commercially viable.
Had AMD produced Dual-CCDX3Ds for purchase, there'd be some complications.
For instance, the 5800X3D already factory-recommends liquid cooling. Without dieshrinks, I'd imagine 12-16 core X3D chips would've required impractical levels of efficiency binning and/or would be at a high-risk for 'cooking itself' (from thermal density and vCache's sensitivities)
To be completely honest, I think the 5900X3D and 5950X3D would've cannabilized AM5 sales (while being amongst the least-profitable-per-unit SKUs)
The 5600X3D and 5700X3D can be 'made from' single-CCD ZenX3D assemblies; a dual-CCD variant would require expanding production for a (slowly) sunsetting platform.
As far as I can tell, the base-silicon configurations we've seen on AM4, are all we're gonna get. No backportings, no new dieshrinks, etc.
I can 'accept' no (consumer avail) dual-CCD AM4 X3D.
AM5 was like Athlon 64 in 2004, which I couldn't afford!The 5600X3D is a MicroCenter exclusive, just like the 27-inch Samsung Odyssey G4 monitors being exclusive to Best Buy. The others are 24-inch, IIRC.
I tried both UEFI's for several days. Each one resulted in 1+ BSOD's a day, as well as application crashes and strange failures such as VPN disconnects and errors in video decoding.
I ran a quick memtest in 10.10 which didn't find errors. I compared Ryzen Master readings on 10.10 compared to 3.60 and the only differences I spotted are 10.10 changed Tfaw 39->34 and CLDO VDDG ~0.95->~1.00. I could flash it again and run an overnight memtest, or manually set voltages and secondary memory timings, but the outcome won't change anything since I no longer plan to invest further in AM4. The Ryzen 5 3600 meets 95% of my needs, the 5*00X3D's would meet maybe 96% (still can't emulate TOTK at 60fps, need Zen 4 for that).
This 5700X3D's base and boost clocks are really poor! Lower than all other desktop Zen 4 SKUs, even lower than my 3600. It's a sidegrade for everything but games and file compression.
I can see why you stopped tho, I'd probably do the same.
I agree, I'm not sure that the 5700X3D will be that great, a 5600 will do for lots of people.
Still, relevant to discussion technologically (AM4, single CCD, X3D , produced from 5800X3D rejects/oversupply).
Also, 5600X3Ds are on the secondary market, for those nowhere near a Microcenter.