Monday, January 29th 2024

Top AMD RDNA4 Part Could Offer RX 7900 XTX Performance at Half its Price and Lower Power

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We've known since way back in August 2023, that AMD is rumored to be retreating from the enthusiast graphics segment with its next-generation RDNA 4 graphics architecture, which means that we likely won't see successors to the RX 7900 series squaring off against the upper end of NVIDIA's fastest GeForce RTX "Blackwell" series. What we'll get instead is a product stack closely resembling that of the RX 5000 series RDNA, with its top part providing a highly competitive price-performance mix around the $400-mark. A more recent report by Moore's Law is Dead sheds more light on this part.

Apparently, the top Radeon RX SKU based on the next-gen RDNA4 graphics architecture will offer performance comparable to that of the current RX 7900 XTX, but at less than half its price (around the $400 mark). It is also expected to achieve this performance target using a smaller, simpler silicon, with significantly lower board cost, leading up to its price. What's more, there could be energy efficiency gains made from the switch to a newer 4 nm-class foundry node and the RDNA4 architecture itself; which could achieve its performance target using fewer numbers of compute units than the RX 7900 XTX with its 96.
When it came out, the RX 5700 XT offered an interesting performance proposition, beating the RTX 2070, and forcing NVIDIA to refresh its product stack with the RTX 20-series SUPER, and the resulting RTX 2070 SUPER. Things could go down slightly differently with RDNA4. Back in 2019, ray tracing was a novelty, and AMD could surprise NVIDIA in the performance segment even without it. There is no such advantage now, ray tracing is relevant; and so AMD could count on timing its launch before the Q4-2024 debut of the RTX 50-series "Blackwell."
Sources: Moore's Law is Dead (YouTube), Tweaktown

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#476
Visible Noise
AusWolfHere we go again. *Facepalm*

Go on, then. I see you want to talk about it.
Oh, not at all. I agreed with you that old resolved issues should stay in the past. But that doesn’t excuse current issues, don’t you think?
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#477
AusWolf
Visible NoiseOh, not at all. I agreed with you that old resolved issues should stay in the past. But that doesn’t excuse current issues, don’t you think?
And I said I'll bite... What current issues? You can't just say that something is shit without saying why.

Edit: You mentioned HDR issues on APUs earlier. I haven't heard anything about that, but I'll give you that one.
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#478
Apocalypsee
AusWolfHere we go again. *Facepalm*

Go on, then. I see you want to talk about it.
His username checks out :D I still don't know why the hate on AMD, they just basing on whatever they read online. I got 5700G, sometimes I remove the discrete GPU and run on its iGPU just to test how it performs (usually because the mobo got VGA output so I can play modern game on CRT ;)). The driver is fine I have no problems with it, I even tested some apps that use compute that could run on it, runs fine as well (I usually use Topaz video AI to upscale older videos)

Back to topic, AMD should release this card yesterday. I would've bought one right about now.
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#479
Visible Noise
AusWolfAnd I said I'll bite... What current issues? You can't just say that something is shit without saying why.

Edit: You mentioned HDR issues on APUs earlier. I haven't heard anything about that, but I'll give you that one.
Even excluding that drivers are holding up the launch of RDNA4, are you saying there are no issues in AMD’s drivers?
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#480
AusWolf
Visible NoiseEven excluding that drivers are holding up the launch of RDNA4, are you saying there are no issues in AMD’s drivers?
According to my experience with various RDNA 2 and 3 cards on Linux and Windows 10 in the course of about the last 3-4 years, yes, I'm saying that. What issues have you had recently? I'm genuinely curious.
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#481
Visible Noise
Weird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

  • Fixed Issues and Improvements

    • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
    • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
    • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
    • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
    • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
    • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues

  • Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
  • Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
  • After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
  • HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
  • Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.
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#482
AusWolf
Visible NoiseWeird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

  • Fixed Issues and Improvements

    • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
    • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
    • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
    • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
    • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
    • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues

  • Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
  • Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
  • After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
  • HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
  • Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.
You managed to find the release notes? Wow, good stuff! :rolleyes:
You still haven't answered my question: What issues have you experienced recently?

Anyway...
1. Just because AMD lists the known issues in their driver release notes, it doesn't mean that everybody experiences them.
2. Just because Nvidia doesn't list the know issues with their game-ready drivers (I wonder why), it doesn't mean that there isn't any.
3. Have a look at Nvidia's studio driver release notes. Only the table of contents of their issues is two A4 pages long.

So if you think that only AMD has driver-related issues simply because only AMD lists them publicly, then you're really far from the whole picture.

That's why I said earlier: if you want to test something, buy the product, and have a look yourself. Everybody knows how to read a driver web page.

Edit: Let's look at the issues that Nvidia fixed recently in their game ready drivers (because the list of known issues isn't public) since we're so damn good at reading random stuff from the internet. ;)

566.36
  • [Forza Horizon 5/God of War: Ragnarok] Game may crash during gameplay after updating to R565 release drivers [4895068]
566.14

Fixed Gaming Bugs
  • DSR/DLDSR custom resolutions may not appear in certain games [4839770]
  • [Call of Duty MWIII] filename change preventing users from using GFE Freestyle Filters [4927183]
Fixed General Bugs
  • [Bluestacks/Corsair iCUE] May display higher than normal CPU usage [4895184][4893446]
  • When "Shader Cache size" is set to "disabled" cache files may still be created [4895217]
Open Issues
  • Windows 10 transparency effects not working correctly after updating to driver version 566.03 [4922638]
566.03

Fixed General Bugs
  • Digital Vibrance custom setting does not persist on reboot or wake from sleep [4801216]
  • [Bluestacks/Corsair iCUE] May display higher than normal CPU usage [4895184][4893446]
Yep, Nvidia drivers are perfect (*khm*). :rolleyes:
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#485
kapone32
Visible NoiseWeird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

  • Fixed Issues and Improvements

    • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
    • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
    • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
    • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
    • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
    • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues

  • Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
  • Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
  • After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
  • HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
  • Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.
I have been wondering what NVclean Install is and why it is so popular.
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#486
Krit
RX 7900 XTX price for RX 7900 XT performance what they are thinking ? It's so ridiculous that is almost hard to believe after two wasted years.
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#487
3valatzy
KritRX 7900 XTX price for RX 7900 XT performance
... with RX 7800 XT specs ... :kookoo: :rolleyes:
Kritwhat they are thinking ? It's so ridiculous that is almost hard to believe after two wasted years.
Probably targeting 0% market share. Very good objective in front of them, and very achievable :D
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#488
AusWolf
3valatzyProbably targeting 0% market share. Very good objective in front of them, and very achievable :D
Let's save the doom and gloom for the final price, shall we? They are adjusting it after all.
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#489
Krit
3valatzy... with RX 7800 XT specs ... :kookoo: :rolleyes:
Exactly RX 7800 XT specs and RX 7900 XTX price! :kookoo:
AusWolfLet's save the doom and gloom for the final price, shall we? They are adjusting it after all.
Better hope it's not true rumor because from 900$ they will not drop to 600$ that's for sure! If it's really was priced at 900$ the performance at least should match (bare minimum) RTX 4080 Super. Otherwise it makes no sense at all.
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#490
AusWolf
KritBetter hope it's not true rumor because from 900$ they will not drop to 600$ that's for sure! If it's really was priced at 900$ the performance at least (bare minimum) should match RTX 4080 Super. Otherwise it makes no sense at all.
They know Nvidia's pricing on the 50-series, so they can't go higher that the suggested performance level anyway.
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#491
theouto
Dr. Dro1. Everyone should care. What is a GPU without reliable compute in 2025? We're in the middle of the AI age. Everything uses GPGPU compute today, and it's incidentally at this time that they most sorely miss having a viable CUDA equivalent. All of their attempts have been trash on Windows. ROCm more or less took off on Linux out of sheer necessity, but remains an unfulfilled promise on Windows.
I only know one person that may make use of GPU compute, and he no longer has any issues with amd for his work. I do programming, I don't even need a gpu for that, just video output. GPU compute, for most users (specially your every day, gaming and social media user), is not nearly as important as you think it is.
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#492
Dr. Dro
If this was the Linus Tech Tips forum I'd probably expect this, but not here. I'm surprised.

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!
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#493
Visible Noise
kapone32I have been wondering what NVclean Install is and why it is so popular.
It’s just like the AMD cleanup utility that AMD has put on their downloads landing page:
AMD Cleanup Utility is designed to remove any previously installed AMD graphics and audio drivers/software found on a system and to prepare it for new graphics software and driver installation.
www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html

Does that clear it up for you?
Dr. DroIf this was the Linus Tech Tips forum I'd probably expect this, but not here. I'm surprised.

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!
I was a big skeptic of GPGPU.

A decade ago.
AusWolfEdit: Let's look at the issues that Nvidia fixed recently in their game ready drivers (because the list of known issues isn't public) since we're so damn good at reading random stuff from the internet. ;)
You just can’t seem to stop posting about Nvidia history in a thread about the 9070. Bizarre.
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#494
kapone32
Visible NoiseIt’s just like the AMD cleanup utility that AMD has put on their downloads landing page:

www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html

Does that clear it up for you?




You just can’t seem to stop posting about Nvidia history in a thread about the 9070. Bizarre.
Meanwhile, where is NVCleanup? Is it also on Nvidia''s site? What it clears to me is that you seem to think that because you think it is that it can only be right. You see that is a resource that is also in AMD software. I guess TPU won't but you Dr. Dro and 3valtazy are ALWAYS on AMD threads bashing. What blows me away is that you have already won the narrative. Why don't you take your 95% mindshare and extoll it in Nvidia threads? Nope let's go into AMD threads and make bombastic claims that AMD can't do this or AMD can't do that. You went on the AMD page to get that utility right? Well is there not a Thread here on TPU that NVclean Install was updated by who? What is really funny is that while the Nvidia narrative focuses on DLSS. What version are we at now 4? Yeah that's right. Meanwhile in AMD software there is a lillte button called Hyper RX that essentially does the same thing as DLSS. The only difference is it is at the Driver level so even if a Game only supports DLSS like City Skylines I still get the percieved improvement in FPS but the smoothness is there. Of course that is the only Game that I have to do that with. I don't have to worry about Console Ports getting DLSS support. Remember when the narrative said Bathesda was paid by AMD not to include DLSS support. That is the exact same propaganda that you are spreading talking about hardware that you do not use like you know AMD so intimately that people that buy AMD are foolish. Why else would you spend so much energy moving goal posts. It is what you all do though. Thanks for destroying another thread and TPU does nothing as it is AMD GPUs so they are an afterthought. Unless they are handhelds. We are excited about those.
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#495
Dr. Dro
kapone32Meanwhile, where is NVCleanup? Is it also on Nvidia''s site? What it clears to me is that you seem to think that because you think it is that it can only be right. You see that is a resource that is also in AMD software. I guess TPU won't but you Dr. Dro and 3valtazy are ALWAYS on AMD threads bashing. What blows me away is that you have already won the narrative. Why don't you take your 95% mindshare and extoll it in Nvidia threads? Nope let's go into AMD threads and make bombastic claims that AMD can't do this or AMD can't do that. You went on the AMD page to get that utility right? Well is there not a Thread here on TPU that NVclean Install was updated by who? What is really funny is that while the Nvidia narrative focuses on DLSS. What version are we at now 4? Yeah that's right. Meanwhile in AMD software there is a lillte button called Hyper RX that essentially does the same thing as DLSS. The only difference is it is at the Driver level so even if a Game only supports DLSS like City Skylines I still get the percieved improvement in FPS but the smoothness is there. Of course that is the only Game that I have to do that with. I don't have to worry about Console Ports getting DLSS support. Remember when the narrative said Bathesda was paid by AMD not to include DLSS support. That is the exact same propaganda that you are spreading talking about hardware that you do not use like you know AMD so intimately that people that buy AMD are foolish. Why else would you spend so much energy moving goal posts. It is what you all do though. Thanks for destroying another thread and TPU does nothing as it is AMD GPUs so they are an afterthought. Unless they are handhelds. We are excited about those.
And you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.
Visible NoiseI was a big skeptic of GPGPU.

A decade ago.
This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.
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#496
kapone32
Dr. DroAnd you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.



This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.I have a
I have a right as I do happen to own AMD products to speak on them. Do you think when you say AMD drivers are garbage that you sound reasonable if someone looks at your profile and sees that you don't even own AMD hardware?

Thanks for confirming that for me about NV Clean Install. I am not going to point out the hypocrisy you are avoiding but have so sweetly pointed out.

That is it right there. Why do you think that any of this matters. Do you really think I lose sleep over this distraction. This is a hobby nothing more for me.
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#497
Visible Noise
Dr. Drobtw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.
Oh, my bad, I thought it was a utility to clean up after a bad uninstall. You know, get rid of the crap and do a fresh clean install.

I may give it try when the 570 driver branch is official and stable.
kapone32I have a right as I do happen to own AMD products to speak on them.
I also own many products that have AMD components in them. Including this Lenovo laptop that I’m using to write this reply to you.

I’m just not any more emotionally connected to an APU as I would be to a screwdriver.
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#498
theouto
Dr. DroSo you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!
There is a difference between necessary and nice to have. GPU Compute, for most people is a nice to have, for a few it is a necessity.

I don't deny that it is a necessity for some, but I deny that it is a necessity for all.
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#499
Unregistered
Dr. DroAnd you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.



This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.
I can be a bit reluctant to accept things sometimes, but a few months ago I came to the realization that the type of conversation and interaction I want around tech just isn't possible here. :sadface:
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#500
Sound_Card
Visible NoiseWeird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

  • Fixed Issues and Improvements

    • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
    • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
    • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
    • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
    • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
    • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues

  • Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
  • Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
  • After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
  • HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
  • Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.
Nvidia does not state open issues in their releases. You need to go to their forums to see the issues. AMD has always been transparent in their documentation.

Never mind, I just saw you have a 4090. Adding you to my filter list. You spend 2k on a graphics card, but give opinions worth a canadian dollar.
theoutoI only know one person that may make use of GPU compute, and he no longer has any issues with amd for his work. I do programming, I don't even need a gpu for that, just video output. GPU compute, for most users (specially your every day, gaming and social media user), is not nearly as important as you think it is.
You won't see him reply to this. It's always the same marketing talking points.
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