Monday, January 29th 2024

Top AMD RDNA4 Part Could Offer RX 7900 XTX Performance at Half its Price and Lower Power

We've known since way back in August 2023, that AMD is rumored to be retreating from the enthusiast graphics segment with its next-generation RDNA 4 graphics architecture, which means that we likely won't see successors to the RX 7900 series squaring off against the upper end of NVIDIA's fastest GeForce RTX "Blackwell" series. What we'll get instead is a product stack closely resembling that of the RX 5000 series RDNA, with its top part providing a highly competitive price-performance mix around the $400-mark. A more recent report by Moore's Law is Dead sheds more light on this part.

Apparently, the top Radeon RX SKU based on the next-gen RDNA4 graphics architecture will offer performance comparable to that of the current RX 7900 XTX, but at less than half its price (around the $400 mark). It is also expected to achieve this performance target using a smaller, simpler silicon, with significantly lower board cost, leading up to its price. What's more, there could be energy efficiency gains made from the switch to a newer 4 nm-class foundry node and the RDNA4 architecture itself; which could achieve its performance target using fewer numbers of compute units than the RX 7900 XTX with its 96.
When it came out, the RX 5700 XT offered an interesting performance proposition, beating the RTX 2070, and forcing NVIDIA to refresh its product stack with the RTX 20-series SUPER, and the resulting RTX 2070 SUPER. Things could go down slightly differently with RDNA4. Back in 2019, ray tracing was a novelty, and AMD could surprise NVIDIA in the performance segment even without it. There is no such advantage now, ray tracing is relevant; and so AMD could count on timing its launch before the Q4-2024 debut of the RTX 50-series "Blackwell."
Sources: Moore's Law is Dead (YouTube), Tweaktown
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517 Comments on Top AMD RDNA4 Part Could Offer RX 7900 XTX Performance at Half its Price and Lower Power

#501
Dr. Dro
Sound_CardYou won't see him reply to this. It's always the same marketing talking points.
I'll reply to you alright. But since you're filtering us, why bother. Go enjoy your echo chamber paradise.
Super Firm TofuI can be a bit reluctant to accept things sometimes, but a few months ago I came to the realization that the type of conversation and interaction I want around tech just isn't possible here. :sadface:
Guess that makes two of us. I'm just stubborn
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#502
Sound_Card
theoutoThere is a difference between necessary and nice to have. GPU Compute, for most people is a nice to have, for a few it is a necessity.

I don't deny that it is a necessity for some, but I deny that it is a necessity for all.
He won't tell you how he personally benefits from it. It will just be obfuscations. You will never get specifics. Just the marketing points paraphrased from Nvidia powerpoint slides.
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#503
Dr. Dro
Sound_CardHe won't tell you how he personally benefits from it. It will just be obfuscations. You will never get specifics. Just the marketing points paraphrased from Nvidia powerpoint slides.
Even if I owed you any explanation (which I don't), it ultimately doesn't matter. You want to be a victim. So, excuse me if I have more productive things to do than appease to people who refuse to listen anyway. It's funny you claim to have put us all on ignore, yet you are still replying to this thread anyway. Go hang out at r/AMD and on AMDGPU's profile on X, you'll find likeminded individuals there.
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#504
kapone32
I am still waiting on the explanation of how AMD drivers are Garbage?
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#505
Dr. Dro
kapone32I am still waiting on the explanation of how AMD drivers are Garbage?
It'd literally be more productive to reply to you in Yiddish. It's above your pay grade, and it will always be if you keep this up.

Won't be replying here anymore.
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#506
kapone32
Dr. DroIt'd literally be more productive to reply to you in Yiddish. It's above your pay grade, and it will always be if you keep this up.

Won't be replying here anymore.
You cannot even defend your own statement? Now you are running away from the thread you destroyed because someone is asking you to explain your very own comment? What was that word you used again?
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#507
Dr. Dro
kapone32You cannot even defend your own statement? Now you are running away from the thread you destroyed because someone is asking you to explain your very own comment? What was that word you used again?
If all it took was a single line claiming AMD drivers are horrible to "destroy a thread", then maybe I'm not the one in the wrong. All I got was ad hominem fallacies, the ol' "doesn't happen to me" and "nuh uh" as answers to the questions I've posed. So there's really nothing to talk about, not even you know why you're attached to that brand, other than some personal bias from however long ago.

However, it did open my eyes. I just don't have anything to discuss with people who genuinely state "GPU compute isn't important" in the year of our Lord 2025, in a place like TPU.
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#508
kapone32
Dr. DroIf all it took was a single line claiming AMD drivers are horrible to "destroy a thread", then maybe I'm not the one in the wrong. All I got was ad hominem fallacies, the ol' "doesn't happen to me" and "nuh uh" as answers to the questions I've posed. So there's really nothing to talk about, not even you know why you're attached to that brand, other than some personal bias from however long ago.
NV
However, it did open my eyes. I just don't have anything to discuss with people who genuinely state "GPU compute isn't important" in the year of our Lord 2025, in a place like TPU.
No your continuance down that rabbit hole and then your usual accomplices joining in? Do you want me to show you? One of you shoved NV clean install at me and did not even know what it was> What are we doing? If you remember you basically said the card was dead in the water. Where I took issue is in where you stated that AMD drivers were garbage. Even now you cannot explain how you came to AMD drivers are horrible,
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#509
AusWolf
Dr. DroIf this was the Linus Tech Tips forum I'd probably expect this, but not here. I'm surprised.

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!
Maybe it is for you, but definitely not for me. I don't know why it is so hard to understand that different people have different needs.
Visible NoiseYou just can’t seem to stop posting about Nvidia history in a thread about the 9070. Bizarre.
It's not about Nvidia. It's about the fact that every driver has occasional issues. The fact that AMD actually posts the known issues doesn't make them more problematic - just more transparent.
Dr. DroAnd you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.
So destroying every AMD thread is the holy mission, and trying to preserve the discussion is wrong. See where we're going?
Dr. Drobtw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.
Oh yes, AMD has a clean (no control panel) install option in its setup, no utility is needed.
Dr. DroThis thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.
Go, drink then. Even that's better than endlessly going on about how shit AMD is and what idiots the few of us using AMD are.
Dr. DroIf all it took was a single line claiming AMD drivers are horrible to "destroy a thread", then maybe I'm not the one in the wrong. All I got was ad hominem fallacies, the ol' "doesn't happen to me" and "nuh uh" as answers to the questions I've posed. So there's really nothing to talk about, not even you know why you're attached to that brand, other than some personal bias from however long ago.

However, it did open my eyes. I just don't have anything to discuss with people who genuinely state "GPU compute isn't important" in the year of our Lord 2025, in a place like TPU.
Which one is more believable? Someone who's had several AMD GPUs in the last 3-4 years and never had an issue with any of them, or someone who hasn't had one, just read a bunch of stuff on the internet? Which one is the bigger fallacy? Basing an opinion on personal experience, or parroting shit from random websites?

Besides, I'm sure I could find lots of pages discussing issues with Nvidia drivers as both I and my brother has had some. I just won't because there's no point in it, issues happen, it's called life. I see no perverted joy in bashing anyway.
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#510
Patriot
AusWolfWhich one is more believable? Someone who's had several AMD GPUs in the last 3-4 years and never had an issue with any of them, or someone who hasn't had one, just read a bunch of stuff on the internet? Which one is the bigger fallacy? Basing an opinion on personal experience, or parroting shit from random websites?

Besides, I'm sure I could find lots of pages discussing issues with Nvidia drivers as both I and my brother has had some. I just won't because there's no point in it, issues happen, it's called life. I see no perverted joy in bashing anyway.
I think you drank the red coolaid a bit hard... as someone who daily drives AMD cards for compute...
I also have encountered some terrible frame pacing and artifacts on pubg with my 6900xt, and witnessed it last night troubleshooting a friends rig with a 7900xtx. I have a 7900xtx, but its not gotten to game yet, its been on rocm duty. I bought my 7900xtx because AMD said this is a mid tier card, I don't see it unseating the 7900xtx, and if it does... its not going to be $500. But its got less vram and less vram bandwidth and less cores... on the same node. AMD makes decent hardware but they don't pull off miracles.
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#511
3valatzy
Nah, probably fake, but still - is this even realistic?
Pink bar is 9700 XT, orange bar is 9700, green bar is FE RTX 4080, purple bar is AIB RTX 4080, yellow bar is RTX 4070 Ti S.

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#512
Zach_01
^^This is pure raster and allegedly over a month ago with the 9070XT at 305W
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#513
3valatzy
Zach_01^^This is pure raster
This is all we care about, is it not?
Zach_01and allegedly over a month ago with the 9070XT at 305W
Meh! This means in March we can expect RTX 5090 performance, right? Right?
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#514
Zach_01
3valatzyMeh! This means in March we can expect RTX 5090 performance, right? Right?
Wrong. On the same video it is said that those cards gain 1%/month roughly from drivers, so +2-3% overall at the same W.
I know... mocking can be fun, so no hard feelings
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#515
3valatzy
Zach_01Wrong. On the same video it is said that those cards gain 1%/month roughly from drivers, so +2-3% overall at the same W.
I know... mocking can be fun, so no hard feelings
This means it doesn't make sense to hold the launch with the "software optimisation" excuse. Performance will remain the same.

From what I can see here, AMD now has a very golden opportunity to clinch some important market share back. If it is very careful to not overprice the cards, but give hefty discounts, which correspond to the declining market share, and lost popularity and credibility of the Radeon brand.
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#516
Zach_01
3valatzyThis means it doesn't make sense to hold the launch with the "software optimisation" excuse. Performance will remain the same.

From what I can see here, AMD now has a very golden opportunity to clinch some important market share back. If it is very careful to not overprice the cards, but give hefty discounts, which correspond to the declining market share, and lost popularity and credibility of the Radeon brand.
Are we suppose to take these videos with a grain of salt, or not?

I think AMD just found the opportunity for better optimization, wider FSR4 support, and its the matter of pricing too.
We can speculate as much as we want. AMD only knows why...
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