Tuesday, October 15th 2024

Alleged AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Announcement and Availability Dates Revealed

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AMD is allegedly announcing its Ryzen 7 9800X3D processor on October 25, with availability in the first week of November 2024. This according to leaky taps among Chinese tech forums with a track record of getting such details right. We've been hearing about an October launch of the 9800X3D in late-September, which puts the announcement just a month after the 9800X3D's early launch first hit the radar. We've since seen a couple of performance or specs leaks, such as this one, which talks about a significant increase in clock speeds over past generations of X3D processors, this one which points to its Cinebench scores, and this one, which confirms a 5.20 GHz all-core boost frequency. Perhaps the biggest leak of them all, which is quasi-official, as it comes from a major PC hardware manufacturer, is this one, with some performance testing. When you cross-reference these numbers with Intel's first party gaming performance claims for its upcoming Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake-S" processor, you get the hint that AMD is set to win this round for gaming performance.
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67 Comments on Alleged AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Announcement and Availability Dates Revealed

#26
Hankieroseman
SarajielSeriously, AMD's marketing department needs to grow a pair or two... :banghead:

Paperlaunching your new CPU on Oct., 22nd with a live press event where all the journalists and influencers get their hand-signed golden press samples without review embargo, would be the thing I'd like to see. This would be so hilarious to see Gamer Jesus and his YouTuber friends fall all over each other to get some comparisons with the 9800X3D into their Core 200K launch reviews. :rockout:

Although, I'd guess that the AMD pricing will also be quite hilarious if the non-X3D parts are an indicator... Do we start at as little as $550 or maybe even at $600?
$700 for X9950X3D?:pimp:
KlemcPure gamers would pay more if it was the price, i'm sure, others people, no.
Exactly. The ridiculous price I paid ebay to get a X5950 and a an RTX3090 during the Trump COVID debacle. I DID NOT wait when 7950x became available and RTX4090 came direct from ASUS. No more waiting. You snooze and you lose in this game. Good Credit and money is certainly a main factor and not everybody is retired with too much time on their hands.:toast:
KlemcAI'll upgrade, no, ia'll keep my 7800 !!
I wanted to go 7950X3D but was informed it was not worth the price from 7950X. I don't have any complaints now in my Flight Sims, MSFS2020 or DCS.
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#27
SL2
atomsymbolThus, $550 market price for 9800X3D at launch is realistic. If 9800X3D started selling at the same (or lower) price as 7800X3D, then it would immediately cause oversupply of 7800X3D CPUs,
Wow lol no.

The price has gone up because of lack of supply! AMD produces less of 7800X3D, BECAUSE they want to avoid what you're describing, and because they're producing 9000 chips with the same machines.
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#28
atomsymbol
SL2AMD produces less of 7800X3D, BECAUSE they want to avoid what you're describing, and because they're producing 9000 chips with the same machines.
Ryzen 7000 CCD manufacturing process is N5. Ryzen 9000 CCD is N4P. This suggests that some of the machines used during manufacturing are different.

Ryzen 7000 3D V-Cache connections are physically incompatible with Ryzen 9000. Zen3/Zen4 3D V-Cache chiplet is manufactured on a 7nm process node. If Ryzen 9000 3D V-Cache chiplet is manufactured on 7nm, it is probably an improved denser version of Zen4's 3D V-Cache chiplet, thus some of the machines used during manufacturing of the caches are different even if all the machines are located in the same building.
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#29
SL2
atomsymbolThis suggests that some of the machines used during manufacturing are different.
That's a weird assumption. You think ASML pops out yet another model for every new process?

Besides, I never said that they share EVERY machine when manufactured.
atomsymbolRyzen 7000 3D V-Cache connections are physically incompatible with Ryzen 9000.
That's off topic, I never said anything about that. It's already been proven that they're different, so I don't even know why you bring it up.
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#30
atomsymbol
SL2That's a weird assumption. You think ASML pops out yet another model for every new process?
There is no proof that you have some knowledge about what machines in particular are involved in the manufacturing of Zen3/4/5 CPUs.
SL2Besides, I never said that they share EVERY machine when manufactured.
Besides, you never said that they DON'T share EVERY machine when manufactured.
SL2That's off topic, I never said anything about that. It's already been proven that they're different, so I don't even know why you bring it up.
Logically, pointing out differences after you claimed sameness cannot be considered off-topic.
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#31
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
atomsymbolEvolution of CPU prices after launch is determined by market forces. AMD's MSRP is just a suggested price. Ryzen 7800X3D is today above MSRP and costs almost the same as 7950X. Thus, $550 market price for 9800X3D at launch is realistic. If 9800X3D started selling at the same (or lower) price as 7800X3D, then it would immediately cause oversupply of 7800X3D CPUs, which in turn would either cause 9800X3D's price to go up or 7800X3D's price to go down.
This is wrong, but you are correct that they do not have discounted prices anymore (since production has most likely ended).




AMD.com and Best Buy US
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#32
SL2
atomsymbolThere is no proof that you have some knowledge about what machines in particular are involved in the manufacturing of Zen3/4/5 CPUs.
How do you know that?
atomsymbolBesides, you never said that they DON'T share EVERY machine when manufactured.
It was a consequence of you telling what was suggested, you're on thin ice here, logically. You had no proof.
atomsymbolLogically, pointing out differences after you claimed sameness cannot be considered off-topic.
Nice bot answers. Try chatgpt, I think it will provide something more substantial than that. You're forgetting what I actually called the same.

Anyway, there's nothing that points to AMD raising the price for 9800X3D above $450 IMO.
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#33
Minus Infinity
AMD waiting until one day after Arrow Lake reviews go live. Please don't suck and please be $399 max.
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#34
Godrilla
Both the 5800X3D and 7800X3D launched at $449 and both brought significant performance delta vs the previous flagship. If AMD launches higher it would have to be a greater perfomance delta for the hype factor imo. The leaked performance suggests clock sensitive games will benefit the the most, games that already benefit from cache will have less of in impact than 7800X3D and the 0.1% lows will probably be improved from significantly higher base clocks.
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#35
1sanpedro1
Cheeseball
Man, seeing those prices, I'm very happy with my timing on buying one right after 9000 series launched.
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#36
Rabit
AusWolfI don't think it's meant for 7800X3D owners in the first place. That +200 MHz max single-core boost doesn't seem like a worthy upgrade. But let's hope that its price will be right so that it'll be a nice bump for people on Zen 2/3.
In synthetic benchmark CB R23 9800X3D gaining +18% ST and +28% MT according to leaks
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#37
AusWolf
RabitIn synthetic benchmark CB R23 9800X3D gaining +18% ST and +28% MT according to leaks
We'll see about that. For now, I find it hard to believe considering a mere 200 MHz ST bump. Let reviews prove me wrong. :)
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#38
Godrilla
RabitIn synthetic benchmark CB R23 9800X3D gaining +18% ST and +28% MT according to leaks
For perspective the MT score is on par with a 12 core 7900 and ST score greater than all Zen4 cpus.
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#39
phints
I'd expect on par 9700X performance in producitvity, and maybe +20% gaming performance over 9700X edging out the 7800X3D by maybe 10%. A solid way to go to replace my 4 year old 5800X based box. Getting into the X3D chips would be awesome. That or a 265K maybe we'll see.
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#40
Dawora
phintsI'd expect on par 9700X performance in producitvity, and maybe +20% gaming performance over 9700X edging out the 7800X3D by maybe 10%. A solid way to go to replace my 4 year old 5800X based box. Getting into the X3D chips would be awesome. That or a 265K maybe we'll see.
+20% ? maybe, if u have RTX4090
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#41
Minus Infinity
AusWolfWe'll see about that. For now, I find it hard to believe considering a mere 200 MHz ST bump. Let reviews prove me wrong. :)
AMD won't release final clocks until they see what Arrow Lake does, however, I'm not sure where you got this 200MHz from. 7800X3D is 4.8GHz all-core vs 5.2GHz from the leaked 9800X3D.
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#42
AusWolf
Minus InfinityAMD won't release final clocks until they see what Arrow Lake does, however, I'm not sure where you got this 200MHz from. 7800X3D is 4.8GHz all-core vs 5.2GHz from the leaked 9800X3D.
Are you sure it's all-core? I thought it was max boost which is 5 GHz on the 7800.
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#43
Guardians Bane
atomsymbolEvolution of CPU prices after launch is determined by market forces. AMD's MSRP is just a suggested price. Ryzen 7800X3D is today above MSRP and costs almost the same as 7950X. Thus, $550 market price for 9800X3D at launch is realistic. If 9800X3D started selling at the same (or lower) price as 7800X3D, then it would immediately cause oversupply of 7800X3D CPUs, which in turn would either cause 9800X3D's price to go up or 7800X3D's price to go down.
The reason for 7800x3d's crazy price hike is because it isn't being made anymore and the global supply is running out. Plus retailers are hiking the price because there's no chip that can compete against it. So the price for 9000x3d, as you see, has nothing to do with artificial market inflation with 7000x3d. Retailers are trying to get the most money for the most popular gaming CPU before the next big thing comes out. I think AMD will put MSRP at around the same as last gens introduction price. Could be less if they go by how they priced the standard X SKUs.
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#44
theglaze
3D V-Cache is AMD's goose that lays golden eggs:

5600X3D MIA
5700X3D last call
5800X3D discontinued
7600X3D MIA
7800X3D last call
9600X and 9700X collecting dust on store shelves

Intel 265K only $395 USD...

AMD needs 9800X3D to be a winner, available at high volumes, and competitively priced.
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#45
AusWolf
theglaze5600X3D MIA
It's a USA Microcenter-only product, it was never sold anywhere else.
theglaze5700X3D last call
Possibly, although there's no news on it yet.
theglaze5800X3D discontinued
Yep.
theglaze7600X3D MIA
It was never even released, as far as I know.
theglaze7800X3D MIA
I have no idea where you got that from, but it is widely available throughout the UK.
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#46
theglaze
AusWolfI have no idea where you got that from, but it is widely available throughout the UK.
7800X3D "available but priced above MSRP" is how we got to these still inflated GPU prices. Now Nvidia only sells one gaming SKU under $400 USD (vanilla 4060 8GB).

You may reply "oh that's just supply and demand" but AMD controls the supply. So unless they have epic plans for 9000X3D chips including price points below $400 USD, (as of today) it looks like they killed their golden goose. Intel users won't pay more to switch sides, people often prefer the devil they know.
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#47
wheresmycar
theglaze7800X3D "available but priced above MSRP" is how we got to these still inflated GPU prices. Now Nvidia only sells one gaming SKU under $400 USD (vanilla 4060 8GB).

You may reply "oh that's just supply and demand" but AMD controls the supply. So unless they have epic plans for 9000X3D chips including price points below $400 USD, (as of today) it looks like they killed their golden goose. Intel users won't pay more to switch sides, people often prefer the devil they know.
The 7800X3Ds MSRP at launch was £439. Since launch, prices dropped a while and then more recently returned back to the original asking price. Surprisingly theres a few retailers here in the UK, at this very precise moment, selling the 7800X3D bang on at £439.

The assumption being, AMD is tightening supply and letting the prices fly back to their original levels (or more in some regions) or even holding off on stock. Obviously paving the way for the 9800X3D's debut and sprinkling on some added premium value before serving up.
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#48
theglaze
wheresmycarThe 7800X3Ds MSRP at launch was £439. Since launch, prices dropped a while and then more recently returned back to the original asking price. Surprisingly theres a few retailers here in the UK, at this very precise moment, selling the 7800X3D bang on at £439.

The assumption being, AMD is tightening supply and letting the prices fly back to their original levels (or more in some regions) or even holding off on stock. Obviously paving the way for the 9800X3D's debut and sprinkling on some added premium value before serving up.
And returning to original pricing from 22 months ago is a good thing for enthusiast consumers? As you suggest, it establishes a +£500 pricing opportunity for 9800X3D.

And alternative X3D V-Cache options drying up on AM4 is good for economical consumers? Potentially a 9600X3D could beat Intel 265K, which is be priced at £380. So by Q1 2025, the cheapest way to buy a new X3D could be 9600X3D at £350?

AMD is choking that golden goose...
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#49
pigbigpink
I’m not planning to buy the AMD Ryzen 9800X3D because my 7800X3D already handles everything I need, and with my RTX4090, gaming is smooth and enjoyable.

At this point, my computer is faster than I am, so I’m satisfied with its performance.

I just don’t see the value in spending £400-700 to replace my CPU for a 10-30% productivity boost. Clearly, it’s not meant for someone like me.
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#50
AusWolf
theglaze7800X3D "available but priced above MSRP" is how we got to these still inflated GPU prices. Now Nvidia only sells one gaming SKU under $400 USD (vanilla 4060 8GB).

You may reply "oh that's just supply and demand" but AMD controls the supply. So unless they have epic plans for 9000X3D chips including price points below $400 USD, (as of today) it looks like they killed their golden goose. Intel users won't pay more to switch sides, people often prefer the devil they know.
You said it's MIA. It's certainly not. Never mind...

I just checked, the launch price of the 7800X3D was 449 USD. Scan UK currently sells it for 439 GBP. Considering that the price of hardware is usually the same in GBP as it is in USD MSRP due to import tariffs, taxes and whatnot, it's not bad. Also, I bought mine for 429 GBP in June. So yeah, the price has been hiked by a whopping 10 British pounds. Wow!
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