Sunday, November 10th 2024
AMD "Zen 6" to Retain Socket AM5 for Desktops, 2026-27 Product Launches
The desktop version of AMD's next-generation "Zen 6" microarchitecture will retain Socket AM5, Kepler_L2, a reliable source with hardware leaks, revealed. What's more interesting is the rumor that the current "Zen 5" will remain AMD's mainstay for the entirety of 2025, and possibly even most of 2026, at least for the desktop platform. AMD will be banking heavily on the recently announced Ryzen 7 9800X3D, and its high core-count siblings, the Ryzen 9 9950X3D and possible 9900X3D, to see the company through for 2025 against Intel. The 9800X3D posted significantly higher gaming performance than Intel, and the 9950X3D is expected to be at least faster than the 7950X3D at gaming, which means its gaming performance, coupled with multithreaded application performance from its 16-core/32-thread count should be the face of AMD's desktop processor lineup for at least the next year.
It wouldn't be off-character for AMD to launch "Zen 6" on AM5, and not refresh the platform. The company had launched three microarchitectures (Zen thru Zen 3) on Socket AM4. With "Zen 6," AMD has the opportunity to not just increase IPC, but also core-counts per CCD, cache sizes, a new foundry node such as 3 nm, and probably even introduce features such as hybrid architecture and an NPU to the desktop platform, which means it could at least update the current 6 nm client I/O die (cIOD) while retaining AM5. A new cIOD could give AMD the much-needed opportunity to update the DDR5 memory controllers to support higher memory frequencies. The Kepler_L2 leak predicts a "late-2026 or early-2027" launch for desktop "Zen 6" processors. In the meantime, Intel is expected to ramp "Arrow Lake-S" on Socket LGA1851, and debut the "Panther Lake" microarchitecture on LGA1851 in 2025-26.
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It wouldn't be off-character for AMD to launch "Zen 6" on AM5, and not refresh the platform. The company had launched three microarchitectures (Zen thru Zen 3) on Socket AM4. With "Zen 6," AMD has the opportunity to not just increase IPC, but also core-counts per CCD, cache sizes, a new foundry node such as 3 nm, and probably even introduce features such as hybrid architecture and an NPU to the desktop platform, which means it could at least update the current 6 nm client I/O die (cIOD) while retaining AM5. A new cIOD could give AMD the much-needed opportunity to update the DDR5 memory controllers to support higher memory frequencies. The Kepler_L2 leak predicts a "late-2026 or early-2027" launch for desktop "Zen 6" processors. In the meantime, Intel is expected to ramp "Arrow Lake-S" on Socket LGA1851, and debut the "Panther Lake" microarchitecture on LGA1851 in 2025-26.
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I think the cpu socket pins definitions determine what can be "upgraded" or "changed".
People are already buying x870 mainboards although maybe better X670 mainboards are available.
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I think ASMEDIA designed and makes the chipsets for the amd mainboards, e.g 2 pieces for x670 mainboards.
The usb 4 chip is most often also from ASMEDIA.
I think AMD does not have the knowledge or will to have usb4 in the chip. That will just drive the price up for any processor.
Example:
AM2 chipset supported DDR2
AM3 chipset supported both DDR2 and DDR3
AM4 chipset supported DDR4
AM5 chipset supported DDR5
I trust you can see the pattern.
AM2 = DDR2
AM3 = DDR3
AM4 = DDR4
AM5 = DDR5
AMD has always changed the socket when a new RAM standard came out.
As for DDR6, the spec is expected to be finalized either this year or the next, and products usually take a year and half or two years to start showing in the market in large enough quantities. So, 2027 for DDR6 is within expectations and would make sense if AMD decided to launch Zen6 on AM5, since there might not be enough of a DDR6 market at the time to try and sell Zen6 exclusively for an hypothetical AM6 socket
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I am happy owner of ASUS B550-E Gaming, it has a very well done PCIe ports layout.
I am perfectly fine with 24 PCIe Gen 5.0 lanes (16/8+8 for PEG) and 2x4 for NVMe drives. One fast drive for the OS, second for gaming.
Third M.2 in chipset-bound M.2 slot for data. I would not change socket, only upgrade CPU <> Chipset connection to Gen 5.0 x4, which does not need socket to be touched. That would allow for faster M.2 chipset-wise. It was already discussed here on TPU that Zen 5 already has PCIe Gen 5.0 support in terms of connectivity with chipset.
AM2 = DDR2
AM3 = DDR3
AM4 = DDR4
AM5 = DDR5
Plug in an npu, and you got something that makes investors happy.
I think they're not in a hurry seeing where Intel is going. I agree, stock is stock, if AMD wants to place the product as it is, that's what it is. Its the same story on Intel. 'But you can undervolt' ... sure. You can. Until you can't. And you never paid for the performance of last gen clock for clock either; you paid for a 9800X3D with the performance it says it has at the power it uses.
To me, a logical solution would be to design two different chiplets with a different number of big cores. 6 and 12, for example. AMD thinks otherwise, it seems. At the very least, Intel will be a neutron star, after having absorbed all the heavy dollars and collapsing into a two-room office.