Could we see socketable ARM and RISC-V processors in such lists in the near future?

I have to borrow this image and put it here. Credits to whomever made it.

Now if only AMD could also claim this much mindshare in the laptop space...

wNotyarDNow if only AMD could also claim this much mindshare in the laptop space...

That's the old bribe stuff comes... Intel has too much power on OEM's to dictate what to do, and if you won't bad things would happen. For DIY they cannot do that magic at such scale on gimp with available options and designs, they actually make harder life for AMD designs, especially ITX options.

DavenCould we see socketable ARM and RISC-V processors in such lists in the near future?

Define near. Not in the next decade I would think, no. Just not much use for them for the DIY channel. Then again, sometimes the industry finds ways of surprising me.

wNotyarDNow if only AMD could also claim this much mindshare in the laptop space...

Or you know, GPU sales.

ChomiqOr you know, GPU sales.

That'd depend on Radeon getting on par with GeForce, not happening anytime soon unfortunately.
I won't take the merit out of Intel on laptops though, their mobile parts are actually damn good. I still with there'd be AMD options, though, especially out of the USA.

Ferrum MasterI have to borrow this image and put it here. Credits to whomever made it.

100% I see no chance

9800X3D at $480 is way too expensive and much less power efficient than the 7800X3D. So I would say the best thing is it dropped the 7800X3D price back down to $360ish. So after how dissapointing Arrow Lake is this Amazon list gap will only widen further. It's using the most advanced TSMC 3N process node so quite literally a waste of sand.

Ferrum MasterI have to borrow this image and put it here. Credits to whomever made it.

'Objects in rear view mirror may be larger than you expected'

Where I live, the only Intel part that has notable presence in the top ten is the 12400F. It's been that way for years now. Of note, is all E-cores are disabled in the 12400F.

Ferrum MasterThat's the old bribe stuff comes... Intel has too much power on OEM's to dictate what to do, and if you won't bad things would happen.

Speculations. You expect Intel to be EXACTLY the same in this regard as 20 years ago, despite everything else has changed for them?
I highly doubt that Intel has that kind of leverage today, because of, you know.. everything.

AMD dosn't make enough laptop chips to feed that kind of production, as they're focusing on EPYC. TSMC doesn't have unlimited production capacity for AMD. This in turn have made laptop makers hesitant about AMD, as it's hard to get enough volumes for certain products like business laptops. No, I can't find the source anymore, it was recent.

Also, if AMD laptops was blocked by whatever, how come desktop APU's takes an eternity to get launched? Should happen really fast, considering the stockpiles of APU chips no one wanted to put in their next laptop, right?

And before anyone brings up the lack of Dell-AMD business laptops for the 10000000000th time, remember that Dell was the ONLY ONE who launched a 7900M laptop no one asked for. That would NEVER have happened 10 years ago. Things have changed.

DavenCould we see socketable ARM and RISC-V processors in such lists in the near future?

People have accepted "electrical-waste" notebooks, smartphones and tablets.

I think there is a lot more money to gain when you sell a display, a battery, a mainboard with soldered dram - cpu - storage to the end consumer.

ARM would be very stupid to socket the cpu.

--

Regarding the "Quick Poll"

Is AMD CPU on your wishlist?

I miss the options for
Apple M2 / or call it ARM CPU
riscV
none of those

I had to vote for AMD. Personally my wishlist is a riscV cpu. Which than includes also a proper mainboard, dram and pcie sockets. Proper firmware. Proper long term support.

DavenCould we see socketable ARM and RISC-V processors in such lists in the near future?

Considering the current number of memory channels, that's hard to say. They'd either need to revert the memory bus to standard PC, or make a board that supports all those channels (which would make for a very expensive setup). It's a similar issue to Strix Halo--that SOC would be significantly gimped running on a traditional AM5 board. An Arm chip wouldn't need all those channels if it didn't depend on the iGPU, but what kind of support will NVIDIA and AMD (and Intel!) provide for drivers?

Now, that doesn't mean we won't see some desktop Arm options. After all, MS finally put out a WOA ISO, but still no word on licensing a standalone build. I'm guessing we'll have products with upgradaeble storage, but RAM will very likely be soldered.

Intel keep fucking over the customers, there is no point in building a DIY computer with intel chips at this point. Intel completely drop support for a platform after 3-4 years in customer space.

SL2Speculations. You expect Intel to be EXACTLY the same in this regard as 20 years ago, despite everything else has changed for them?
I highly doubt that Intel has that kind of leverage today, because of, you know.. everything.

AMD dosn't make enough laptop chips to feed that kind of production, as they're focusing on EPYC. TSMC doesn't have unlimited production capacity for AMD. This in turn have made laptop makers hesitant about AMD, as it's hard to get enough volumes for certain products like business laptops. No, I can't find the source anymore, it was recent.

And before anyone brings up the lack of Dell-AMD business laptops for the 10000000000th time, remember that Dell was the ONLY ONE who launched a 7900M laptop no one asked for. That would NEVER have happened 10 years ago. Things have changed.

Spoiler: Oldie

I have an ever bigger point. AMD worked with Steam to create their own mobile market.

Dell did that as a part of the wack it got from the SEC for it's relationship with Intel.

Even in DIY I know for a fact that Intel used to offer deep discounts to the workers at brick and mortar stores of their newest products.

Intel does though still have something to put their chips into.

Darmok N JaladConsidering the current number of memory channels, that's hard to say. They'd either need to revert the memory bus to standard PC, or make a board that supports all those channels (which would make for a very expensive setup). It's a similar issue to Strix Halo--that SOC would be significantly gimped running on a traditional AM5 board. An Arm chip wouldn't need all those channels if it didn't depend on the iGPU, but what kind of support will NVIDIA and AMD (and Intel!) provide for drivers?

Now, that doesn't mean we won't see some desktop Arm options. After all, MS finally put out a WOA ISO, but still no word on licensing a standalone build. I'm guessing we'll have products with upgradaeble storage, but RAM will very likely be soldered.

I think Windows is the biggest limiting factor to seeing something other than x86 in the desktop/laptop world (they lost in the data center, smartphone, smartTV and basic tablet arena). Microsoft is trying hard but in the end, the Windows OS might be unsalvageable when it comes to implementing new ISA's and x86 features in the new ever changing, competitive world we find ourselves in. Microsoft had it easy back in the day when it was just Intel and a few Intel clones.

simlariverIntel keep fucking over the customers, there is no point in building a DIY computer with intel chips at this point. Intel completely drop support for a platform after 3-4 years in customer space.

The definition of hubris is Intel pricing given the backdrop of the narrative against them. At least when Bulldozer was getting bashed AMD chips were nice and cheap,

DavenI think Windows is the biggest limiting factor to seeing something other than x86 in the desktop/laptop world. Microsoft is trying hard but in the end, the Windows OS might be unsalvageable when it comes to implementing new ISA's and x86 features in the new ever changing, competitive world we find ourselves in. Microsoft had it easy back in the day when it was just Intel and a few Intel clones.

I think it is Corporate politics. Intel, Boeing I could go on. Technology leaders that allowed Non tech professional to make decisions about product based on the bottom line. Like how even when they were the leader they would do things to make things as cheaply as possible.

No doubt, in the gamer and enthusiast space AMD is killing it right now, it's well deserved.

kapone32Dell did that as a part of the wack it got from the SEC for it's relationship with Intel.

Do you have a source?

kapone32Intel does though still have something to put their chips into.

Sure, I'm not saying that Intel is powerless, or plays it friendly. But it's not a static situation, and it's not the same as 20 years ago.

Also, no one can explain that desktop APU situation I described. Me neither.

The same brands that won't make a lot of AMD laptops ONLY makes AMD handhelds (Well execpt for MSI, obviously lol.) If Intel actually had that much power like some people think, that would never happen.

Based on this market data alone @ Amazon, majority of consumers appear to have rejected the idea of e-cores

user556Where I live, the only Intel part that has notable presence in the top ten is the 12400F. It's been that way for years now. Of note, is all E-cores are disabled in the 12400F.

I'm not surprised at all. It is a very honest performer selling for "dirt" cheap. Where I live, it costs roughly 3/4 of its direct Ryzen competitor (the 5600) - BRL 669 vs 900 - and its successor (the 13400F) is even costlier at 1440. The outlier in Brazil is the 12600KF at 1138, but it needs an aftermarket cooler. When (and in this case WHERE) every buck is at a premium, the 12400F is nothing short of a steal.

SL2Do you have a source?

Sure, I'm not saying that Intel is powerless, or plays it friendly. But it's not a static situation, and it's not the same as 20 years ago.

Also, no one can explain thet desktop APU situation I described. Me neither.

The same brands that won't make a lot of AMD laptops ONLY makes AMD handhelds (Well execpt for MSI, obviously lol.) If Intel actually had that much power like some people think, that would never happen.

What was the case about? Dell was being paid by Intel to "sell" all of their Intel chips. At the same time Intel also told Dell to not recommend AMD systems for inquiries. None of what I just said is conjecture. You can look up News articles but the result was a $2 billion dollar fine for Intel (That they have not paid) and if you think that Dell did not release that laptop when no one else did would have nothing to do with it? This looks like a huge dose of Karma.

I am glad that you brought up the MSI Claw in the handheld debate. You see there is a reason that MSI released the Claw using Intel. There is obviously some type of agreement between Intel and MSI. The MSI Gaming live stream have admitted on more than one occasion that they are Intel focused. Do you think anyone would be making a handheld if the Steam Deck never launched? Yes you are right about brands but do you have any idea of how many handhelds have been sold? Then the next chip is already being salivated over by the community. What do you think those handheld vendors are thinking about Strix Point?

As far as I am concerned the laptop market is not as bare for AMD as it may seem. Yes you can go to a brick and mortar and find maybe 1 AMD based laptop. I have an AMD based laptop with a 3060 and Asus does sell their Strix lineup with AMD chips. I also work for the largest Tech company in my country and my work laptop is a 3500. It is funny how now, since the last upatde AMD software comes up in my notifications.

SL2Speculations.

Well things did happen it is proven by court, are you telling me that they stopped? Those habits don't die so easily.

www.reuters.com/technology/eu-re-imposes-400-mln-fine-intel-abuse-market-power-2023-09-22/

Things leak out about such practices like on casual timing, last one about MSI and Intel covered by HW Unboxed. There are lawsuits

SL2Should happen really fast, considering the stockpiles of APU chips no one wanted to put in their next laptop, right?

What stockpiles? AMD is so efficient, they actually lack bad SKUs so they gather them slowly and sell in limited runs through Microcenter lately.

(lazy edit)



:EDIT::

@AleksandarK Title needs fixing... "Achieses"