W1zzardMy fault, sorry about that, also @AleksandarK

"a W1zzard is never late" tho "he can do typo" :laugh:

well yeah i have an AMD CPU on my wishlist, a 9800X3D, tho my 5800X3D (bought it close to the current 5700X3D pricing) serve me quite well.

nonetheless if Intel keep at it, AMD CPU will be on my wishlist for long, which happened 3 time since i started with computers, 1st k6 2 and III 2nd OG Athlon and Athlon 64 X2 and 3rd Ryzen (grouped the k6 and Athlons for convenience)

SL2Speculations. You expect Intel to be EXACTLY the same in this regard as 20 years ago, despite everything else has changed for them?
I highly doubt that Intel has that kind of leverage today, because of, you know.. everything.

AssimilatorDisappointing, but unsurprising, to see that this thread turned into an Intel conspiracy theory clusterfuck immediately.

Intel has marketing and development agreements with a lot of OEM's. They assist in funding advertising and their engineers assist with product development.

People can see it how they like but it is transparent and legal, not like the previous under the table strait out bribes.

NordicAmd can't afford enough wafers to supply OEM's. Until that changes AMD won't take over the laptop market

evernessinceThis has got to be the longest running unproven narrative without a single shred of evidence

Agreed

TheinsanegamerNNo, the longest running unproven narrative is all the claims that intel is STILL bribing OEMs, and that is the only reason we dont have AMD everywhere.

AMD themselves have admitted to shifting priority to EPYC chiplets to increase profits, so it has more evidence then whatever other excuses you guys come up with to explain current evets.

^^ This

There are numerous reasons AMD is not a larger player in the mobile space and one of them is focus. If they had the same financial and engineering initiatives as Intel they would probably have more design wins.

Other reasons are inertia. We have largely remained an Intel house where I work due to compatibility. Think docking stations etc. That's changing over time as you can't get mechanical docks for most laptops anymore and the USB ones will work on both Intel and AMD. Personally, I hope the change happens as fast as possible. I pray for the day that I ask for a quote on 100 laptops and I get AMD, Intel and (hopefully) ARM options.

My only beef with AMD desktop CPU's is they hardly make ones without intergrated Graphics chips. Sure they make some F models but not on the 9800X3D. I know you can turn it off but still wish AMD would make a 9950XF or something.

It's funny remember back in the day when AMD was the power hungry CPU's drawing massive ammounts of power and heat. Needed liquid cooling just to keep them cool. Back then Intel was cool and working great low wattage. Now 10 years later Intel is the power hungry CPU's and AMD is the cool ones with less wattage and running great.

Reminds me of Nivida in the last 5 years. Went from nice 1080Ti's that I still own today to power hungry RTX cards drawing now up wards to 600 watts.

Honestly Intel should just port over some Xeon chips to the desktop market. 32 core low power CPU's would be a game changer.

DavenI think Windows is the biggest limiting factor to seeing something other than x86 in the desktop/laptop world (they lost in the data center, smartphone, smartTV and basic tablet arena). Microsoft is trying hard but in the end, the Windows OS might be unsalvageable when it comes to implementing new ISA's and x86 features in the new ever changing, competitive world we find ourselves in. Microsoft had it easy back in the day when it was just Intel and a few Intel clones.

People keep saying that and yet, Windows is still in most homes that do anything with computers beyond clicking on a Youtube or Netflix video.
Windows is still in schools.
Windows is still in enterprise.

I think you're turning the world around. x86 is not the requirement. Windows is the requirement, for anything that resembles productivity in the real world, and can't be done better on an Apple Mac device. Curious fact is that Apple has made the move to ARM without touching their OS functionality in a big way. They realize they're selling software, not hardware. Emulation is growing and getting more and more professional; and let's not forget the pivotal role AI can play in any emulation affair - its a static/generic translation, so its perfect stuff for AI to code or translate.

Over decades of computing what we have seen is that people use computers to do things. How the computer does things, is not quite relevant. I don't give a rat's ass whether my car runs on 4 cilinders or 12 cilinders, but I do care about the noise it makes, the mileage per unit of fuel, and how fast it can go. Wildly different cars can score any number of points on all those metrics. Its no different anywhere else. Apple has proven time and time again, and Windows has too, that functionality and ease of use are king. The two also go hand in hand. Things that are easy to use, are easy to learn, and thus easier to add functionality to, and they tend to attract larger user groups, which again adds to functionality. Whether that happens on ARM or x86 is not relevant. Both ecosystems have seen booming application development because its just accessible.

All Microsoft has to do is keep us tightly connected to its OS to keep it in the market. That's why they practically give away licenses, don't chase down the illegal ones, etc. These are all users, and all potential customers for any wild number of services they want to invent. They use the cloud now to tighten the grip; and now they're selling you a subscription AND and an OS. Kaching. If they have to emulate all of that on something else, Nadella is going to say one thing: get it done.

Prima.VeraImagine if AMD would launch an RTX 5090 killer for 30% or less than nGreedia's top tier....

They also need a robust driver!

Neo_MorpheusThe problem is that everyone has been brainwashed by the influencers that keep saying all AMD gpus are trash and the sheep wont buy any GPUs from AMD, regardless of how good they really are.

AMD is really need to step up it's presence in AI support, they completely missing the AI-hypetrain for example.
Would also spend a lot of money some big influencers to get more sales,
Also paying the game studios to have top notch support/ optimalisation for the most popular games

csendesmarkThey also need a robust driver!

AMD is really need to step up it's presence in AI support, they completely missing the AI-hypetrain for example.
Would also spend a lot of money some big influencers to get more sales,
Also paying the game studios to have top notch support/ optimalisation for the most popular games

Agreed on all accounts but I would say, the AI part is a bit more complicated.

For what I can tell, ROCm is usable enough (as far as I can tell) and the weak part is that not all of their gaming GPU's support it.

The rest, yes, agreed.

Thing is, I'm pretty sure these are a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of overall CPU sales, which if I had to guess, I would think the bulk are to OEMs like Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus, etc, and I would also bet the majority of CPU sales are not desktop CPUs.