Monday, November 19th 2007

AMD Introduces World's First Comprehensive, Cutting-Edge PC Platform

Rewriting the rules for enthusiast computing, as expected AMD today unveiled its new platform codenamed "Spider", with the first true quad-core processor supporting scalable graphics for The Ultimate Visual Experience. The AMD Spider platform combines the introduction of AMD Phenom quad-core processors, ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series graphics processors with Microsoft DirectX 10.1 support, AMD 7-Series chipsets with CrossFireX and AMD OverDrive software. The AMD Spider platform is a major milestone on the path to Accelerated Computing, AMD's vision for platform-level acceleration through co-processing.

"AMD is the only company committed to delivering The Ultimate Visual Experience across all the screens of your life," said Dirk Meyer, president and COO, AMD. "The AMD Spider platform embodies our approach to platform-level innovation and delivers a highly-advanced, feature-rich enthusiast computing experience. Our commitment to energy-efficient design and manufacturing excellence drives an unprecedented performance-per-watt at an amazing price point, putting enthusiast-class platforms in reach for more users than ever before."

AMD's Spider platform advances enthusiast computing by delivering the most sophisticated multi-GPU enthusiast platform ever with ATI CrossFireX technology. The combination of the energy-efficient 55nm ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series of graphics processors and the increased system bandwidth of PCI Express Generation 2.0 and HyperTransport 3.0 technology, provide optimal processing power for a scalable HD multi-GPU experience. AMD design and manufacturing innovation has enabled the AMD Spider platform to easily scale to three or four graphics processors and deliver a true gaming supercomputer.

"Falcon Northwest is particularly impressed with the quad ATI CrossFireX potential of the new AMD Spider platform," said Kelt Reeves, president of Falcon Northwest. "Running four graphics boards in one system has been a dream of gamers, but could be a nightmare for a system builder to get all those graphics cards proper airflow. The cohesive nature of the Spider platform design allows the AMD 7-Series chipset, high-performing AMD Phenom quad-core processor, and the already cool and quiet ATI Radeon HD 3800 graphics cards to all be placed for maximum airflow and cooling. AMD has made massive multi-GPU performance easy to build, and affordable."

HD Technology Leadership
AMD is delivering the only platform that boasts major next-generation, industry-standard technologies to provide unparalleled bandwidth and balance in the delivery of next-generation HD content. With HyperTransport 3.0 technology, AMD Phenom processors have more system bandwidth than ever before with up to 14.4 GB/second of high bandwidth I/O. When combined with the additional bandwidth of AMD PCI Express 2.0 chipsets and graphics processors, the AMD Spider platform enjoys maximum bandwidth to support smooth 1080P video playback, enhanced multi-GPU and high-speed disk and network interfaces. With the only true quad-core processor and infrastructure flexibility with AM2+ socket, AMD processors are designed to be compatible with future 65nm and 45nm AMD Phenom processors to deliver key performance gains.

Video enthusiasts can enjoy best-in-class HD entertainment on AMD Spider platforms with the addition of the powerful visual processing capabilities of the ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series. Striking image quality and power-efficient playback are made possible through the ATI Avivo HD video engine and the Unified Video Decoder (UVD). The addition of UVD ensures exceptional platform efficiency and image quality in HD-DVD and Blu-ray decoding for both H.264 and VC-1 specifications. Big screen gaming and entertainment is also made easy with enhanced HDMI connectivity with integrated HDCP and audio for HDMI video.

Scalable Platform Performance
AMD's Spider platform offers a new class of enthusiast platform scalability, with multiple upgrade options to increase performance and boost compatibility with configurations that can deliver an estimated two teraflops of desktop processing power by harnessing four graphics processors. The multi-core design of AMD Phenom quad-core processors, based on Direct Connect Architecture, features an integrated memory controller designed to support memory speeds up to DDR2 1066, 128-bit floating point units and AMD's Balanced Smart Cache for rapid access to memory, with a shared L3 cache for leading-edge performance on multi-threaded software.

The AMD 7-Series chipsets introduce the world to the latest ATI CrossFireX technology, a new class of scalable multi-GPU performance, supporting three or four ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series graphics processors for unparalleled upgradeability and DirectX 10.1 performance with the industry's only tri- and quad-GPU solution for Microsoft Windows Vista. AMD 7-Series chipsets support up to four graphics processors and 42 PCI Express lanes, enabling maximum performance and upgradeability for gamers and PC enthusiasts. AMD 7-Series chipsets can deliver the ultimate in personalized enthusiast platform performance with AMD OverDrive software, the industry's most powerful and intuitive Windows operating system-based performance tuning utility. Through a simple Windows operating system-based interface, AMD OverDrive software can satisfy the needs of a wide range of performance-oriented users from enthusiast overclockers to mainstream gamers. In addition, AMD AutoXpress settings can increase your system performance when combined with enthusiast memory modules, ATI Radeon graphics, as well as AMD Phenom quad-core processors.

"AMD has a long history of delivering compelling hardware innovations so that consumers and enthusiasts can enjoy new experiences and take full advantage of the capabilities that our products including Windows Vista deliver," said John Schappert, corporate vice president of LIVE Software and Services at Microsoft. "The AMD Spider platform adds a new dimension to AMD's excellence in driving platform robustness and scalability, designed to deliver the utmost in upgradeability and performance with the new tri- and quad-GPU solution for Windows Vista."

Energy Efficiency
High-performing, energy-efficient AMD Spider platforms provide industry leading platform performance-per-watt, combining energy-efficient AMD Phenom quad-core processors for an improved computing experience, low power 65nm enthusiast AMD 7-Series chipsets, and low-power, high-performance 55nm ATI Radeon HD 3800 graphics. The AMD Spider platform also includes an unprecedented list of computing technology firsts and focus on power consumption, including: ATI PowerPlay, Cool'n'Quiet 2.0 technology, Microsoft DirectX 10.1 support, HyperTransport 3.0 technology and PCI Express 2.0.

In a new initiative to measure real-world processor power consumption, AMD surveyed consumer and commercial users to understand precise usage patterns. AMD measured power consumption for these usage patterns and has found that AMD Phenom processors with Cool'n'Quiet 2.0 technology rated at 95W TDP can consume an average power of 32W for consumers and 29W for commercial users.**** For more information on the power consumption of AMD processors and platforms visit www.amd.com/coolnquiet.

Enhanced features include AMD CoolCore technology, support for split power plane motherboard designs and the ability to set independent core frequencies. The AMD 7-Series chipsets are designed using 65nm process technology, a first for chipsets. With a TDP of approximately 10-12 watts, the 7-Series chipset offers world-class energy efficiency, allowing users to focus resources on processing performance. With a flawless transition to 55nm process technology, the ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series can deliver more than two times the performance-per-watt over the previous generation of AMD graphics products. In addition, ATI PowerPlay for the desktop allows for automatic power state adjustments for increased GPU efficiency when under moderate load or idle. All of these features contribute to better power optimization by enabling more efficient performance, lower power consumption, and quiet operation.

"In today's PC market there is escalating consumer demand for multi-core performance and enriching HD media experiences," said Toni Duboise, senior analyst with Current Analysis West. "Platforms with enhanced performance features and improvements in performance-per-watt and energy efficiency, such as AMD's Spider platform, are a big benefit to customers."

Availability and pricing
AMD Phenom processors 9600 (2.3GHz) and 9500 (2.2GHz) are now available for $283 and $251 respectively in 1,000-unit pricing. The ATI Radeon HD 3850 with 256MB of GDDR3 memory begins at US $179 MSRP and the ATI Radeon HD 3870 with 512MB GDDR4 memory from US $219 MSRP, available from AMD's selected graphics products partners. For processor pricing details, please visit www.amd.com/pricing. For press collateral pertaining to AMD Spider and its components including product specifications and availability, videos, images and partner support, please visit www.amd.com/spider/presskit.
Source: AMD
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40 Comments on AMD Introduces World's First Comprehensive, Cutting-Edge PC Platform

#26
Beertintedgoggles
I'm still surprised here everyday.... even by the people who have rediculously large post counts (it seems some just open their mouth with no filter at all). I'll admit, mostly I enjoy just reading the forums and add only a little bit here and there but that's because half of the time I get tired of reading either unsupported claims or reading comments from supposed 'gurus' who think they're always right and throw out more biased and very poorly supported posts and get pissy when anyone says otherwise.... Ok, enough of the morning bitchyness. AMD's first dual core chips were actually signle die, two cores (the 4200, 4400, 4600, and 4800... unless you are talking about the Athlon MP's which were actually two CPU sockets). I can see where a true quad core, single die chip could help when implementing an L3 cache as I keep hearing AMD may start implementing. Latency times, while not that much different, will be better by connecting the four cores through internal traces rather than routing through the PCB to the L3 (if they start this). Additionally, a multi-threaded app that relies on data sharing between threads may also benefit in this same way as data does can be routed over AMD's interconnect bus (can't think of the name off the top of my head... something crossbar maybe) rather than through the PCB traces to a second two-core die. The performance hit there is really neglibilbe as shown by the performance of Intel's quad core setup against AMD's quad cores. Where "true quad core" will bite AMD in the ass is there are more chances for producing a faulty quad core on a signle die chip rather than two dual-core, single chips. I know they are thinking of releasing tri-core chips (most likely a quad core with a bad core disabled) but that's new territory where I have no idea how successful or how much demand there will be. Just some thoughts to roll around.
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#27
mdm-adph
DanTheBanjomanLike I said, a company. This could be any company including Intel, IBM, Shell, Air France or whatever.
Oh, I know. It's just, man... the avatar, OK? Even with the little joke put in there, you gotta admit it could rub someone the wrong way... ;)
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#28
Deleted member 3
mdm-adphOh, I know. It's just, man... the avatar, OK? Even with the little joke put in there, you gotta admit it could rub someone the wrong way... ;)
You're right actually, I should change it. To a quad core logo :)
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#30
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Nice response Beer and I agree with you. Its been that way for awhile now. The numbers Ive seen (as posted on these forums and linked) have shown AMDs EE processors to be quite low.
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#31
erocker
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I am very dissapointed in AMD. Thier new chips are slow, have bugs, and are stable at 2.8ghz and no more. Perhaps newer steppings and revisions will come out that fixes these problems, but the fact of the matter is... These chips don't show any benefit over Intel chips, so I guess Phenom won't be my new processor for now, and I wait some more. The AMD performance era is officially over.
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#32
happita
erockerI am very dissapointed in AMD. Thier new chips are slow, have bugs, and are stable at 2.8ghz and no more. Perhaps newer steppings and revisions will come out that fixes these problems, but the fact of the matter is... These chips don't show any benefit over Intel chips, so I guess Phenom won't be my new processor for now, and I wait some more. The AMD performance era is officially over.
From what I've read from the reviews from Tom's Hardware and Anandtech, the 9500, 9600, and 9700 aren't aimed to take the performance crown from Intel. Also, you have to look at it this way, this is AMD's first attempt at a quad-core in the desktop segment. I think its fair to say that the first that come out aren't going to be top notch competitors against Intel who has had quite some experience so far in making their quad-cores high performers. In due time, AMD will get it right.

But my reaction to these performance numbers certainly did disappoint me somewhat. I think they either need to bump up the cache per core to about 1mb for a total of 4mb, OR they seriously need to start increasing the clocks on these processors. 2.4-2.6ghz being the highest they can deliver? Come on, thats just baby talk. And I hope your right about those new steppings/revisions.

Another thing that ticks me off is that they aren't going to get the 9700 out before the end of the year. However, you can't really blame them for trying to release a product without any defects.
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#33
Swansen
You guys are crazy, and yeah, its technically a real quad core as everyone else has said, four cores on a single die, not two cores on top of each other. That said, i do remember reading somewhere of an actual advantage of having two cores sandwiched on top of each other, vs four cores on a single die, but i don't remember where. On a side note, yeah, this is mostly a marketing thing, as there isn't really such a thing as a "PC platform" its just all the components are made by the same company, but who know, maybe it will increase interest in the gaming community.
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#34
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
no need to get tiffy and throw in the towel erocker. that is an excellent point made about this being AMDs first Quads. They 2.6ghz part is on a nice platform with intels 2.66ghz part. However, I also see the need for them to up the cache and increase clock speeds to 3.0Ghz +. Granted, back in the day, they didnt need to do that, but in todays market, they are gonna need to do that. Also, would be nice if they catered to the OC community like Intel has done.
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#35
peach1971
I think they either need to bump up the cache per core to about 1mb for a total of 4mb, OR they seriously need to start increasing the clocks on these processors.
Well...
Phenom's L3 cache and North Bridge work on the same power plane, one separate from the rest of the CPU. Socket-AM2+ enables the use of two separate voltages, one for the L3 cache/NB and one for the rest of the CPU, whereas Socket-AM2 motherboards run the entire chip at the same voltage. The original plan was for Socket-AM2+ motherboards to run the L3 cache/NB at a higher frequency than the rest of the chip, unfortunately it looks like AMD wasn't able to make that happen.

Currently, the L3 cache/NB on these chips runs at a fixed frequency that's actually lower than the rest of the CPU frequency: 2.0GHz. We tested Phenoms running from 2.2GHz all the way up to 2.6GHz, and in all cases the L3 cache and North Bridge ran at 2.0GHz. We're not sure if this will ever get fixed, but it's somewhat disappointing as it was supposed to be a major reason for upgrading to Socket-AM2+ (but it's good news for current AM2 owners).
www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=4

It´s really a stony way AMD has to walk these days. :cry:
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#36
Basard
The only review I saw that was even somewhat well put together seemed to be at anandtech, Tom's said they were reviewing a 9700... I think they meant to put 9900 on there? Other than that the numbers look like they vary a lot from review to review. Tom's used an old Asus M2N, at least Anand used a new chipset. Then LegitReviews used the 790 chipset and somehow scored way differend on crysis?? Has anybody else noticed it at all? It's kinda hard to believe any of the numbers... They are all lower than intel, thats for sure, but I dunno we can pray for better in 08 I guess. I think they need to make the cores themselves better...
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#37
[I.R.A]_FBi
BasardThe only review I saw that was even somewhat well put together seemed to be at anandtech, Tom's said they were reviewing a 9700... I think they meant to put 9900 on there? Other than that the numbers look like they vary a lot from review to review. Tom's used an old Asus M2N, at least Anand used a new chipset. Then LegitReviews used the 790 chipset and somehow scored way differend on crysis?? Has anybody else noticed it at all? It's kinda hard to believe any of the numbers... They are all lower than intel, thats for sure, but I dunno we can pray for better in 08 I guess. I think they need to make the cores themselves better...
that is the common thread
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#38
Basard
Meh, you win some, you lose some.... I figured it would have got the job done a lot better (the Phenom) since its a new arcitecture... blah blah blah, you know? I'd still say its a pretty good chip. Intel saw it coming, thats why their slowest quad is so cheap. Oh well.

Whats with the memory bandwidth scores anyways? Nvm, probably has to do with slower Mhz--slower memory controller, duh. Man, they just need to get more Mhz out of em. And maybe add abou EIGHT more mb of cache, haha. Maybe the new core on the Athlon X2 will be improved, cheaper, and run at higher clocks? Who knows...
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#39
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
I would have thought the integrated memory controller would be a plus for AMD. I havent seen many favorable reviews supporting that. This first revision seems to be just an intro period. Im hoping next quarter brings some minor architectural changes, adjustments, better oc capabilites and better results. For their first foray, it doesnt look bad at all.
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