Typo fixed.

thats good.. and could explain the drop in the hd3 prices

uh wtf .. no dx10.1 apps on the market, hdcp is included afaik, nvidia's g92 already wins in perf/watt and noise...

hey amd, you forgot to tell us about CrossFireX that nvidia doesnt have.. nvidia has only up to three gpus .. can't be good

Go AMD! I may not be a AMD fan anymore but the ATi branch is kickin ass!

zekrahminatorAMD is taking the whole concept of a next-generation product flying out of NVIDIA's factory doors with an unnerving level of calm. The main points of a press conference...

• The 9600GT, in benchmarks scores roughly between an HD3850 and an HD3870. The HD3850 can be had for $169USD, and the HD3870 can be had for $189USD. Suggested MSRP for the 9600GT: $169-189USD.
• The current offerings from AMD are more feature rich than the 9600GT. Such features are DirectX 10.1, 55nm manufacturing, and built-in HDCP encoding.
• AMD's offerings currently beat the 9600GT in terms of heat, power consumption and noise.

The validity of the second point can be debated, considering DX10.1 games are still a ways away, and the exact difference between DX10.1 and DX10 can be debated.

Source: Digitimes

Is it just me . . . or does it seem like they're trying to convince themselves that they have nothing to worry about.

It's nVidia - their new hardware will seel even if they don't advertise or publicize it.

Sure, ATI is starting to solidify itself and take a stand again, but they're still far away from their old level of glory.

You need Vista Service Pack 1 for DX10.1 and most people run XP.

zekrahminator[*]AMD's offerings currently beat the 9600GT in terms of heat, power consumption and noise.

Maybe they though having bigger figures meant they were winning? :D

W1zzardnvidia's g92 already wins in perf/watt and noise...

If we are talking about the same g92 in the 8800GT, the only reason it might win in the noise department is because the have the fan turned down by default -so far that I believe AMD is right when they say that RV670 runs much cooler than the g92. From what I understand, the newer 8800GT reference fan (slightly larger) doesn't help much.

My buddy has an 8800GT in his PC and when he kicks up the fan to be under 70C when fully loaded, the fan (he has the smaller stock fan) sounds so loud we can't concentrate on whatever game we're playing. My HD 3850 overclocked happily keeps around 70C loaded with stock fan at 55% and I can't even hear it over my other fans.

I thought it was the G94?

Personal note to Nvidia and AMD :

I don't care about noise. I can wear headphones.
I don't care about heat, unless your product dies because of it. (Besides, it's cold here and my 2 X1950xtx's heat up my computer room nicely).
I don't care about the cost of power consumption as long as the darn things don't overload my home curcuits.

I want to run all my games at 2560x1600 with at least 60fps with all the eye candy turned on.

Make it happen.

Thank you.

Our fearless leader is an Nvidia Fan boy :roll J/k he is a supporter of Nvidia though.

Dont be trouncing my ATI, they kick the 9600 GT!

WarEagleAUOur fearless leader is an Nvidia Fan boy :roll J/k he is a supporter of Nvidia though.

Of course he is, he has to get his NV stock back up so he can continue his retirement plans;)

secound point is true
3870 & 3850 has built in Audio+HDCP via PCI Express, and HDMI, nvidia geforce 9600 does NOT

ATi Represent .. to the worl'

im sure they have something already to compete with the Next Gen Mid range, at least announce it, i dont think AMD is going to take things lying down, while they are doing better than they did with the 1950 Line and 2000 Line.

I hope this is not the start of another "slide-show war"...
I hate that! Let the friggin' product speak for itself!
I'm already sick of biased reviews all across the internet, I don't need press conferences, slide-shows and the likes to convince me.

W1zzarduh wtf .. no dx10.1 apps on the market, hdcp is included afaik, nvidia's g92 already wins in perf/watt and noise...

hey amd, you forgot to tell us about CrossFireX that nvidia doesnt have.. nvidia has only up to three gpus .. can't be good

the g80/92 do not do full hdmi encoding on chip, ati cards can/do, mind you i have a g92 8800gt and have setup a number of 38*0 cards, the ati cards need a sound driver installed, and can FULLY support hdmi audio and video, nvidias cards still dont do that, but im sure they eventuly will, not that it really matters ill they force everybody to use all the bd DRM bullshit enabled :/

i am not a fanboy of either amd or nvidia. i believe in the better product.

feel free to look at my power consumption and fan noise numbers of g92 reviews or the g94 review later today.

what good does it do if the card runs cool but is noisier? as long as the temperatures are far from "hot" they are fine and in my opinion its better to have a quieter card that is slightly warmer

W1zzardi am not a fanboy of either amd or nvidia. i believe in the better product.

feel free to look at my power consumption and fan noise numbers of g92 reviews or the g94 review later today.

what good does it do if the card runs cool but is noisier? as long as the temperatures are far from "hot" they are fine and in my opinion its better to have a quieter card that is slightly warmer

8800gt is loud if u wana keep it cool, the fan by default is STUCK at 10%, gotta use tools or bios edits to unstick it and keep the card from hitting 90c or higher :(

thats my main complaint, i dont got a gpu cooler to stick on it and cant afford one, my vf700 has 2 broken/striped studs, so its useless for the 8800gt, basickly im stuck with NOISY AS HELL stock spining up under heavy load.....

:toast:Im happy in general for ATI. It seems they are getting comfortable in there shoes again. It was hard sailing for them for the past 2 years without a doubt posting record losses. But, it seems they are finding there nitch again and are starting to gain ground since the AMD merger. With the tri-core Phenoms fixed, the 3000 series GPU's, and 4000's on the way. Possible IBM talk. It seems that they are back in the game. Still not as big % as intel and Nvidia and may never be, but atleast they are not rolling over.

mine wasnt loud.. maybe its because i tested a zotac card and they adjusted the fan

yeah, to keep ur card cool with the stock 8800gt cooler from nvidia you gotta run it at 70 min then let it ramp to 100 when the chip gets hot, mine hits 100 in WoW and its not even that stressfull a game.......and it is LOUD.

Have to agree with Kreig. The statement looked more of a lame excuse than anything else. Let's say I don't care if the card is loud, I use a pair of HN-602. And the room is temp-controlled, so what? Evd of the day I want to run my games better, a consumer needn't concentrate on trivial issues pertaining to hardware and expects hardware to get things done. Maybe the 8800GT/9600GT run hotter/louder, so what? they run the games better end of it, don't they?

Look, I would love to see AMD kicking Nvidias ass, but the fact is, the 9600GT is just as fast as the 3870.

I calculated the avarage of all 9600GT benchmarks and the avarage of all 3870 benchmarks, there is less then 1% performance difference. ( I excluded 3DMark, that's not a game! )

The 9600GT is a very fast mid-range card. The cooling on the cards sucks though.

I say that if you can find a 9600GT OC ( with better cooling ) for the 3870 price, then you should get a 9600GT.

If you have to decide between 3870 and 9600GT default, the 3870 is the better choise.

AMD sas that they don't wurry about sales but they know just as much as you all do that the 9600GT WILL outsell the 3870 just because it's Nvidia an just because it has the next-generation number.

I will not believe any statments about the 9600gt performance from ati..