yeah.. reminds me of the 9800Gx2 when it came out and had an insane price tag for a preorder.. one bloke actually made a preorder and posted his quad SLI on youtube (perhaps to impress people) and realise its crappy performance. All he got from me was a "you wasted your monies." comment. Cant wait to shoot down the next guy who gets a tri with these. lof.

HAHA defenitely not buying one of those, looks like i'm going back to ati indefenitley now lol 599 euro nvidia has lost their damn minds

The price for this thing is incredible. Although a lot of people here have to remember this cheap isn't mean to compete on a price to performance ratio. Its meant for people who want the best possible performance no matter the cost.

i think with more than 900$ and after ati 480x2 come , nvidia going to sell mouse and keyboard :laugh:

magibegThe price for this thing is incredible. Although a lot of people here have to remember this cheap isn't mean to compete on a price to performance ratio. Its meant for people who want the best possible performance no matter the cost.

and that's nVidia's thinking as well - although we have no idea yet just how the 4870 and 4870x2 will perform.

but, jumping back to my first post in this thread - if ATI's cards perform equal to or better than the GTX 280, nVidia will then lower this price to compete. But, if it does outperform the whole ATI lineup, the price won't change.

ATI typically like to introduce the mid and low end models first, and work their way up; nVidia likes to unleash the big guns first, and then the mids and lows - I think their reasoning being that if their bad-ass outperforms ATIs by a wide margin, everyone will think that their whole line up will outperform.

But, reviewers tend to feed this mentality, also - I guarantee after this card is out, and the 4850 is finally out, we'll see reviews comparing the two, and it'll show a massive performance gap . . . because they're incorrectly comparing hardware

You have to remember that here in Europe the companies use an original euro dolar conversion-> 1€~1$, so probably the cost in USA will be 599$. We euros pay VAT, which is included in the final price of 599€, and it is as much as 25% in some countries, Sweden if I'm not mistaken, 16% here in Spain, but in USA you pay a sales tax and it's not included in the retail price. If I can remember correctly, It's 8.5% in CA, which I think it's one of the highest. So, the most probable retail price will be 599$ plus taxes.

I'm sorry if I've done grammar mistakes, I have my english a bit rusty.

You're right Kynes, we almost pay the same price in euros as it is in dollars across the ocean. I mean, (don't kill me about this, couldn't wait) - yesterday, I bought a 9800GTX for 220eur, where as it is 299 dollars there. So I don't think it is gonna be 9XX$. I say they will sell at 620 ~ 700 dollars.

it's not as bad as you think because 590€ usually translates to 590$.

File_1993You're right Kynes, we almost pay the same price in euros as it is in dollars across the ocean. I mean, (don't kill me about this, couldn't wait) - yesterday, I bought a 9800GTX for 220eur, where as it is 299 dollars there. So I don't think it is gonna be 9XX$. I say they will sell at 620 ~ 700 dollars.

I think $750 to $800 is more likely: it depends how much overpricing (if any) that site is doing ...

links work but they removed the cards from offer

i'm sure was a mistake and now they correct the price to 699 Euros

erockerI think too many people are getting bent out of shape over ONE price that has been released by an unknown retailer. Still, they well be on the expensive side. I'd bet no more than $800, perhaps $599 on the low side.

It would help if you stopped converting euros into dollars so happily in the news, because a 600 euros card in EU has never been more than $660 in the US, it is not in this moment and will never be. Saying how much dollars are xxxx euros just leads to confusion as you can see.

EDIT: I'm talking about TPU, not you exclusively.

lemonadesodaDue to OVERWHELMING DEMAND, HW Eletronk has INCREASED the price from EUR 590 to EUR 670.

geizhals.at/deutschland/a342896.html

So seems my "joke" about new 699 price is almost true :laugh:

is really a nvidiot price

lemonadesodaDue to OVERWHELMING DEMAND, HW Eletronk has INCREASED the price from EUR 590 to EUR 670.

geizhals.at/deutschland/a342896.html

All i can say is :eek:, Nvidia is looking more and more elitist everyday, Im no nvidia or ATI fanboi in a anyway but Nvidia seem to be pricing most users out and ATI are welcoming the trade of the average user by producing products at the price/performance ratio they have been, a win/win for ATI in my eyes.

Gam

Gam'sterAll i can say is :eek:, Nvidia is looking more and more elitist everyday, Im no nvidia or ATI fanboi in a anyway but Nvidia seem to be pricing most users out and ATI are welcoming the trade of the average user by producing products at the price/performance ratio they have been, a win/win for ATI in my eyes.

Gam

Those prices have nothing to do with Nvidia, it's the shops who are upping the prices for bigger profits, because it seems there is demand already. I can't neither believe there's so much people paying so much, but I'm sure the card will deliver what those extreme enthusiasts are looking for. Those prices are surely not for me, but IMO we need those extreme cards and Nvidia is doing right by releasing them. Prices will go down, a $600 card always goes down to sub $200 eventually, a $200 card rarely goes much below $100. As long as both cards are close in price/performance (historically this has been true, not at launch but soon after the launch yes) the expensive one is the one that puts pressure and advances the market. If Nvidia played the same game as Ati, the market would stagnate with slower cards forever.

DarkMatterThose prices have nothing to do with Nvidia, it's the shops who are upping the prices for bigger profits, because it seems there is demand already. I can't neither believe there's so much people paying so much, but I'm sure the card will deliver what those extreme enthusiasts are looking for. Those prices are surely not for me, but IMO we need those extreme cards and Nvidia is doing right by releasing them. Prices will go down, a $600 card always goes down to sub $200 eventually, a $200 card rarely goes much below $100. As long as both cards are close in price/performance (historically this has been true, not at launch but soon after the launch yes) the expensive one is the one that puts pressure and advances the market. If Nvidia played the same game as Ati, the market would stagnate with slower cards forever.

No one said we didn't need those extreme cards. I don't care about the actual conversion or anything since we folks in the states can't buy from that site anyway. Between the online shop & NV, someone is completely crazy. Only a fool would preorder a card that don't have any solid benches yet - & none of the new cards have any so no one can say this will or won't be the most powerful thing ever :rolleyes:

magibegThe price for this thing is incredible. Although a lot of people here have to remember this cheap isn't mean to compete on a price to performance ratio. Its meant for people who want the best possible performance no matter the cost.

Indeed, which means we got another load of whine-asses in here, complaining about how expensive it is, when really they are just upset that they can't afford the 'best.'

MegastyNo one said we didn't need those extreme cards. I don't care about the actual conversion or anything since we folks in the states can't buy from that site anyway. Between the online shop & NV, someone is completely crazy. Only a fool would preorder a card that don't have any solid benches yet - & none of the new cards have any so no one can say this will or won't be the most powerful thing ever :rolleyes:

You guys are expecting Ati doing some magic this time around and Nvidia screwing it up badly, I'm just more realistic. It won't happen guys. I know what you all are thinking. It won't happen.

I never said it wasnt right, Im just saying what it looks like from my point of view which is Without benches atm A bloated expensive Bit of plastic. When we get some real world benches Then we can say its worth it but atm like i said thats what it looks like to me :).

Gam

newconroerIndeed, which means we got another load of whine-asses in here, complaining about how expensive it is, when really they are just upset that they can't afford the 'best.'

10%-15% more frames with a premium of ~300$ is "The Best" :laugh:;)
(and the radeons could even be equal.. well see).

lemonadesodaDue to OVERWHELMING DEMAND, HW Eletronk has INCREASED the price from EUR 590 to EUR 670.

geizhals.at/deutschland/a342896.html

Overwhelming demand wtf! You mean people are actually buying these at this price? Obviously this site is just cranking up the price as they are the only site who has them! When they come out in america they will be almost half that price I bet...

Gam'sterI never said it wasnt right, Im just saying what it looks like from my point of view which is Without benches atm A bloated expensive Bit of plastic. When we get some real world benches Then we can say its worth it but atm like i said thats what it looks like to me :).

Gam

Both Ati and Nvidia have been releasing this kind of cards forever, until Ati or should I say AMD changed their strategy and used the same than with CPUs. This card is not more expensive (or faster in comparison with the previous generation) than flagship cards of the past. That fact alone cantrasts with your claim of Nvidia being more and more elitist. Also taking into account the manufacturing cost of the GT200 and the PCB Nvidia with this card is in fact charging a lot less than with previous models and certainly less than Ati in that respect. Another fact is that Nvidia can't directly control the price that retailers put to the cards, they can just "suggest" a price, and somehow punish them if they fail to follow it, i.e. offering a worst deal the next time. Anyhow you can't blame the retailer from trying to make money out of it.

X-TeNDeR10%-15% more frames with a premium of ~300$ is "The Best" :laugh:;)
(and the radeons could even be equal.. well see).

DarkMatterYou guys are expecting Ati doing some magic this time around and Nvidia screwing it up badly, I'm just more realistic. It won't happen guys. I know what you all are thinking. It won't happen.

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DarkMatterYou guys are expecting Ati doing some magic this time around and Nvidia screwing it up badly, I'm just more realistic. It won't happen guys. I know what you all are thinking. It won't happen.

We can talk about whatever the cards should perform but that's all speculation. Even the charts, graphs, & heresay are the same. This is the first elongated period in any of the 2 companies' history that one have been mostly out-performing the other. Even now that gap has been getting closer to way they normally stand - the competing cards are right above & below each other in performance. Price is another thing but that's why its called competition. If this card is really worth $700 when it comes out here then so be it, I'll be happy for NV.

But don't count out ATi just because of what happened over the last 2 years. That only gives credence to their comeback. NV's been sitting on their hands with the G80 while ATi's been dumping their last core for a completely new one. Sure the GT200 is a new core but NV has lost sight of ATi by sandbagging. Believe in the propaganda if you will but history is history - that's while it repeats. At the moment you count out a force, that's when they comeback & bite you in the butt.

I actually converted Euro dollars to Australian in vain for a price decrease. Oh how naive I am! Come on Nvidia, this aint space shuttle equipment!

MegastyWe can talk about whatever the cards should perform but that's all speculation. Even the charts, graphs, & heresay are the same. This is the first elongated period in any of the 2 companies' history that one have been mostly out-performing the other. Even now that gap has been getting closer to way they normally stand - the competing cards are right above & below each other in performance. Price is another thing but that's why its called competition. If this card is really worth $700 when it comes out here then so be it, I'll be happy for NV.

But don't count out ATi just because of what happened over the last 2 years. That only gives credence to their comeback. NV's been sitting on their hands with the G80 while ATi's been dumping their last core for a completely new one. Sure the GT200 is a new core but NV has lost sight of ATi by sandbagging. Believe in the propaganda if you will but history is history - that's while it repeats. At the moment you count out a force, that's when they comeback & bite you in the butt.

Whatever. I'm really interested in seing the day when a $300 0.8 billion transistor card can beat a $600 1.4 billion transistor one. I AM, believe me, but I know a bit how graphics cards work and you just can't improve your silicon so much in one generation. I would love to see myself having to eat these words, but it won't happen.

That's not to say that Ati will not be better in price/performance because it will, just because the lower the price the higher the p/p ALWAYS. That doesn't mean that Nv cards are going to be out of the market and that could eventually surpass Ati cards in that precious p/p as has occured many times in history back and forth between the two companies. And never forget that Nvidia has 9800 cards to compete on the low. Yeah, I know Ati cards are going to crunch 9800 cards right? I'll insist a bit more:

DarkMatterYou guys are expecting Ati doing some magic this time around and Nvidia screwing it up badly, I'm just more realistic. It won't happen guys. I know what you all are thinking. It won't happen.