Monday, September 8th 2008

Tegra SoC Designs based on GeForce 6 series

Tegra is NVIDIA's System on a Chip (SoC) platform. It takes NVIDIA's supreme expertise in the field of visual computing and architectural finesse to SoC that is projected to have a large market in the near future in several industries, mainly consumer electronics and automobiles. Heavyweights in the automobile industry such as Daimler AG (Mercedes Benz), FIAT Group (Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Fiat, Lancia, Maserati), V.A.G. group (Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, Seat, Skoda, VW) have lobbied around the Terga technology to be used to enhance their products.

As automobiles manufacturers venturing into a realm of new technology of compact computing, they would prefer proven and stable technologies from NVIDIA over future tech. For this matter, NVIDIA has derived some versions of the graphics processor part of Tegra on the GeForce 6 series. It makes it fully DirectX 9.0c compatible and capable of running up to three or more displays. Some variants NVIDIA plans to sell V.A.G. group includes a GPU derived from GeForce 9600 GT albeit much lower speeds (since it's not required to work to its potential). Futuremark has already showcased its 3D dashboard software for Audi which could harness the power of Tegra to display a futuristic dashboard panel that provides drivers with information on the car's operation along with maps and guidance in 3D.
Industry sources tell that the next-generation Tegra will add certain features from the GeForce GTX 280, such as full support for CUDA and dual-precision FP64 processing. The hardware is likely to be based on a single 8-shader processor node, which would result in about 30 GFlops of processing power. Expect the GeForce GTX for the automotive industry to arrive as a daughterboard initially.
Source: TG Daily
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49 Comments on Tegra SoC Designs based on GeForce 6 series

#26
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
No, I was slapped, and for a typo.
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#27
hat
Enthusiast
a GPU on a car? why?
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#28
jbunch07
hata GPU on a car? why?
:future discussion on TPU:

member1: Man have you benched you're Audi yet?
member2: No I just got it in, but i hear they have great ocing capabilities.
member1: Yeah thas what I heard. I know a guy that scored 35999 on 3dmark 2020.
member2: Man I hope I can get that high. And to think, I almost bought a VW.
:rolleyes:
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#29
Darkrealms
btarunrNo, I was slapped, and for a typo.
LoL, I was telling him he could slap me too though.
hata GPU on a car? why?
Multiple displays because everything is going "digital" (displays). Plus you'll need some kind of proccessing unit for rendering GPS, graphed engine performance, adjustable ride quality displays, GUI menues for saving seat and sound profiles . . . (I should probaby stop there before I deserve another slap, huh?)
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#30
PCpraiser100
Wow, thats pretty cool! Perhaps Nvidia has found another profit lifeline after all! However, I will be checking corners to see if terrorists are planning an EMP assault ok?
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#31
DarkMatter
PCpraiser100Wow, thats pretty cool! Perhaps Nvidia has found another profit lifeline after all! However, I will be checking corners to see if terrorists are planning an EMP assault ok?
HAHA! Good point if they could drive missiles with the Emotion Engine, with this...

@btarunr

It's not the typo. It's how many times, where and by who those typos were made. You know you deserved a small slap. That "News Editor" on your sig says so. :p
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#32
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
The future conversations between drivers

"hehe my car has more ROPs than yours,"

"yeah well mines haz a higher 3dmark score".
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#33
candle_86
Wile EI don't understand why people are complaining about the complexity. If we all had a mentality like that about cars, everything would still be carburated.
because

"The more complicated they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."

Captain Scott


just one question, can we run Crysis in the new cars?



Officer - Sir why did you run that traffic light

Driver - Sorry sir, a demon in doom jumped out at me

Officer - That makes the 14th today
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#34
p3ngwin
PCpraiser100Wow, that's pretty cool! Perhaps Nvidia has found another profit lifeline after all! However, I will be checking corners to see if terrorists are planning an EMP assault ok?
unless you're driving a Diesel. any moving car will fail with an EMP blast :)

spark plugs you see, they need to provide a spark for ignition on every cylinder cycle, for EACH cylinder.

diesels have no spark plugs, except "glow" plugs.

so you see, any car already NEEDS the battery running for most of it's engine duties anyway, especially more modern cars where the engine needs electronic management.

so people saying the dashboard being vulnerable to electrical failure is like ignoring the fact that mechanical failure is more likely.

think about hard drives v's SSD's: the less processes of energy conversion involved the more efficient.
imagine all the mechanical workings behind the dash to make a bunch of needles move, then compare that to a simple electronic wire connection that transmits data from the sensor directly with no coils, gears, cogs,etc

the current dashboard system is a horrendous array of mechanical and pneumatic/hydraulic systems that are far more likely to fail or give error in some way compared to a simple electronic connection to a sensor.

for the people complaining about increased failure possibility with electronic dash's, god help them when the whole drive train goes electronic and we "drive by wire".
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#35
anticlutch
p3ngwinunless you're driving a Diesel. any moving car will fail with an EMP blast :)

spark plugs you see, they need to provide a spark for ignition on every cylinder cycle, for EACH cylinder.

diesels have no spark plugs, except "glow" plugs.

so you see, any car already NEEDS the battery running for most of it's engine duties anyway, especially more modern cars where the engine needs electronic management.

so people saying the dashboard being vulnerable to electrical failure is like ignoring the fact that mechanical failure is more likely.

think about hard drives v's SSD's: the less processes of energy conversion involved the more efficient.
imagine all the mechanical workings behind the dash to make a bunch of needles move, then compare that to a simple electronic wire connection that transmits data from the sensor directly with no coils, gears, cogs,etc

the current dashboard system is a horrendous array of mechanical and pneumatic/hydraulic systems that are far more likely to fail or give error in some way compared to a simple electronic connection to a sensor.

for the people complaining about increased failure possibility with electronic dash's, god help them when the whole drive train goes electronic and we "drive by wire".
Most new cars are drive-by-wire now are they not? And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the battery was only there to start the car and provide electricity for accessories when the engine is off since the alternator produces electricity...

Diesels would also fail if there is an EMP blast... every new car produced has some sort of ECU I believe.
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#36
candle_86
p3ngwinunless you're driving a Diesel. any moving car will fail with an EMP blast :)

spark plugs you see, they need to provide a spark for ignition on every cylinder cycle, for EACH cylinder.

diesels have no spark plugs, except "glow" plugs.

so you see, any car already NEEDS the battery running for most of it's engine duties anyway, especially more modern cars where the engine needs electronic management.

so people saying the dashboard being vulnerable to electrical failure is like ignoring the fact that mechanical failure is more likely.

think about hard drives v's SSD's: the less processes of energy conversion involved the more efficient.
imagine all the mechanical workings behind the dash to make a bunch of needles move, then compare that to a simple electronic wire connection that transmits data from the sensor directly with no coils, gears, cogs,etc

the current dashboard system is a horrendous array of mechanical and pneumatic/hydraulic systems that are far more likely to fail or give error in some way compared to a simple electronic connection to a sensor.

for the people complaining about increased failure possibility with electronic dash's, god help them when the whole drive train goes electronic and we "drive by wire".
kill a pre 1919 Ford with an EMP, i think not, they run off a crank and the engine produces all the electical it needs.
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#37
candle_86
anticlutchMost new cars are drive-by-wire now are they not? And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the battery was only there to start the car and provide electricity for accessories when the engine is off since the alternator produces electricity...

Diesels would also fail if there is an EMP blast... every new car produced has some sort of ECU I believe.
not true, the Car will die in any modern car if you disconnect the battary.
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#38
Bundy
Ah no, I have driven mine home with no battery. Needed a jump start to get going, then I was right. My car is a 5 year old, Australian GM model. I think the equivalent in the US is a GTO? (i.e. fuel injected alloy V8)

The electronic dash is a good thing IMO, much LESS to go wrong than the older electro-pneumatic systems.
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#39
anticlutch
candle_86not true, the Car will die in any modern car if you disconnect the battary.
I learned from my dad that disconnecting the battery while a car is running is an effective way of checking to see if the alternator is good or not... and a quick search using Google confirms that. But in any case, we're pretty far off topic :laugh:

On topic: I wonder when we'll see this in everyday normal cars (not supercars or even luxury cars). My guess is ~10 years after Benz adopts it since that's been the trend with most of the new technologies they've been implementing for decades :P
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#40
Dia01
I'm all for new technology, just hope the OS is more stable than windows!
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#41
JoJoe
anticlutchI learned from my dad that disconnecting the battery while a car is running is an effective way of checking to see if the alternator is good or not... and a quick search using Google confirms that. But in any case, we're pretty far off topic :laugh:

On topic: I wonder when we'll see this in everyday normal cars (not supercars or even luxury cars). My guess is ~10 years after Benz adopts it since that's been the trend with most of the new technologies they've been implementing for decades :P
If you go by how long it has taken the auto industry to adopt new technolgies in the past and then for those technologies to trickle down to the masses, it'll be awhile.
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#43
Wile E
Power User
candle_86not true, the Car will die in any modern car if you disconnect the battary.
No it won't. If it's already running, the battery is not necessary at all.
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#45
candle_86
Wile ENo it won't. If it's already running, the battery is not necessary at all.
ive seen half a dozen cars die going down the road because the battary terminals lost connection
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#46
Wile E
Power User
candle_86ive seen half a dozen cars die going down the road because the battary terminals lost connection
Then their alternator or charging system was weak, broken, or otherwise messed up.

I just had this happen on my 04 Sentra after I replaced the battery and had forgotten to tighten the positive terminal. Ran fine until I shut it off.

Running cars do not shut off if you unhook the battery, unless there is a problem.
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#47
twicksisted
Wile EThen their alternator or charging system was weak, broken, or otherwise messed up.

I just had this happen on my 04 Sentra after I replaced the battery and had forgotten to tighten the positive terminal. Ran fine until I shut it off.

Running cars do not shut off if you unhook the battery, unless there is a problem.
its true.... you can drive fine without a battery as long as you have the engine already running..... losing your fanbelt that turns the alternator then would stop the car as it wouldnt be "charging"... and your water pump wouldnt be connected so youd also overheat massively and wrech your engine ;)
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#48
DarkMatter
Some cars will always take the energy from the battery, even when the engine is turned on. The alternator will charge the battery and the car takes the power from there. Unhooking the battery breaks the chain (the circuit lol) and the car stops. I think it's on some newer cars? But I don't know why they do it that way. It seems worse this way, but I suppose it has some advantages. Anyway even if the battery is broken (spilling acid) it would take a lot of time to the car to stop working. What I mean is that, most who say they drived without battery are usually saying with the battery uncharged, not physically without the battery. Only problem could come if you accidentally unhook the battery when driving. What are the chances?

This is totally of topic anyway, why are we talking about that?

More on topic, mechanical parts are always more bound to failures than digital ones. Only dissadvantage of digital ones is that they are usually centralised, meaning that you would loose everything. In this case a failure in the Tegra chip could let you without any functionality in the car.
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#49
Bundy
Off topic: I think batteries help smooth out voltage ripples and it would be plausible that an onboard computer may be set to shut down if the battery is disconnected.

On topic: I agree failure of the chip would affect the car. There are several others on the car that also are this criticial. troubleshooting and repair will be much simpler though, just replace the chip, screen or sensor.
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