Wednesday, November 26th 2008
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Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09
Intel plans its own public demonstration of the overclocking capabilities of the Core i7 processors. This, in response to rival AMD achieving an overclock of well beyond 5.00 GHz, and booting at speeds above 6.00 GHz. The engineers at Intel reportedly carried out a large-scale binning of Core i7 processors, to cherry-pick the best performing part. The scale of binning could well be best of 100,000 units.
A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.
Sources:
XtremeSystems, Chile Hardware
A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.
83 Comments on Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09
Highest is $1850. Average around $2000 just to be safe. ;)
Still expensive, but not what you were saying. :)
on topic
Kinda funny how Intel is admitting they are going to cheat because they THINK AMD cheated.
my prediction is phenom 2 will out perform core 2 due cpus hopfully qx9970 but thats as good as the could hope plus if it outperformed i7 singletreaded that would be a big boost for there busness.
And those prices are online and we all know its cheaper to buy online, so if you went to your local computer shop it would be even more :eek:
So trust me, when i say there at that price^ i mean thats at a cheap price compared to your local computer or electronic store :)
Isn't the rumor that intel has bad yields on new stuff? I know no one ever talks about it.
If I was to be stupid and buy i7, these are the prices I'd pay:
920: $519.00
940: $1,054.00
965EE: $2,109.00
The store i go to is the one i showed you^ they have good service and most of the time competitive prices, and i cant fault them, and i know if i went to a computer shop like, leading edge computers it would cost a F load since there a good 30% more expensive then the place i get my parts from online. So going from what prices there showing that would be ALOT you know.
As i thought i typed the CPU into staticice and found the 920 for as low as $459.00 at PC Maniacs. So im guessing were i get my Parts from there just a bit expensive, or there supplier is charging alot for the CPU's
I agree you have to be stupid to buy this CPU now, and or have deep pockets and don't care.
Going by your 25% performance difference, it would only take 4.5GHz out of a Core2Quad to match the 6Ghz Deneb. That doesn't even take into account i7. But at any rate, there is much more to it than how IPCs each chip can do. There's branch prediction, pipeline dumps, cache misses, and many other factors to take into account, so we still know nothing of these chips, to be honest. We have no idea how a 6GHz Deneb truely compares to the Intels. If it only matches a 5Ghz c2q, for example, it's all for naught anyway.
I am not concerned with the clock speed of these chips in the slightest. All that matters is performance. My guess is still that AMD is going to be behind in that category. Only time will tell.
Seriousy, Wile has been running AMD from time to time, admittedly, and with conviction, yet he still honors the truth. Intel's whirlwind stomp-ass blitzkrieg has totally obliterated AMD for the last several years, and none of this inane nerd gossip about 6 or 7ghz is going to change that.
Besides, Intel just jacked the one technology advantage AMD had, which was Hyper Transport.
So...yes, you all could learn a lot from a Wile.
*Disclaimer, Wile E is entitled to royalties, of which amounts are not yet disclosed. A lawyer will approach Mr. E, at the appropriate time.
AMD, while not matching in performance, offered that one bit of advanced technology for quite a long time, and for me at least, was what made me prefer their type of design.
And with Quick Path, they've lost that edge.
Sometimes, I'd start to think that HT was what caused them to fall behind, even if theory would suggest otherwise. If QuickPath only increases Intel's performance, then under that premise, I really don't know what in the heck AMD has to do to catch up.
I'd really like to see them go aggressive toward some sort of Unix/Linux platform, working alongside Sun to create desktops (or laptops) as well as server machines(for which they already have a strong foothold), and churn out something similiar to a MAC, but with obviously different instruction sets. With that kind of support behind it, and the freedom of open source, Windows might start to fade, as developers got hooked on a more friendly Unix platform.
If it was succesful, then it could also be streamlined into the "home entertainment" industry, as we see lots of large format displays using embedded operating systems. I have this notion that in the future(and we see it in the evolution of home appliances in the last twenty years)dang near everything in your home will be operated via a central box of some sorts, that has all kinds of networking, wireless and other functions, which can be programmed, timed, manipulated etc, but with a very user friendly approach, much like adjusting the settings on your Plasma television.
I'm off on a rant here, but with AMD's touts of a 'platform' approach with things like the Spyder(or is it Spider?), it just seems like the thing to do, and a way for them to get out of the rat race with Intel.
And heck, for all you anti-Intel and MS folks, if such a system worked, it would be killing two birds with one stone! :)
All of the Core2 chips I have used have pretty much scaled linearly across the whole range I've tested, from 1.8Ghz all the way to 4.6Ghz. The only time scaling differs is when the FSB is a bottleneck. Once that bottleneck is gone, scaling is linear. You can check that for yourself by setting a high fsb, and using the multi only to clock. And someday I'll finally get the DICE pot up and running to check scaling above 5Ghz.
AMD has stated, at 3.0 GHz, a Phenom II will be 30-40% faster than the current fastest Phenom at 2.6 GHz. Let’s take the conservative approach. If Phenom II is only 30% faster than current Phenoms, and you eliminate the frequency advantage of Phenom II, at the very same clock Phenom II will be approximately 12.6% faster than Phenom.
In other words, as already stated by analysts and hinted by AMD, Phenom II is likely to be even with or slightly faster than Yorkfield processors, clock-for-clock.
This is also supported by very conservative documented estimates of an average 5% increase in same-clock IPC resulting from enlarging of cache and 3% from core improvements – a combined 8.1% IPC improvement.
I caution that this is only a very conservative prospect. If you consider the scenarios in which an application (or game) will benefit from 3 times the cache, the IPC improvements will be far greater than described above. (Keep in mind, K10’s average improvement was approximately 15% over K8. Yet in many single-threaded applications and games, it is not uncommon to see 24-40% gains at the same clock).
Also, even if Yorkfield and Deneb find themselves dead-even in most scenarios, Deneb will shine in memory instensive situations, with lower latencies and higher throughputs.
This tells us one thing. Intel didn’t rush to Core i7 as a luxury; it was forced to in order to maintain its leadership. In the coming months, we’ll see sub-$300 Phenom 940/945 processors that rival and beat 1000-dollar QX9650s, and with just as much overclocking headroom.
Owners of current AM2+ platforms will have the last laugh – and here’s why:
- Statistics show the vast majority of Intel Quad owners are sporting Q6600s (limited to 3.6-3.8 GHz, at best, on average while expending far more energy and outputting significantly more heat than next month’s PII 940).
- Intel owners of Yorkfield 45nm Quads either have to spend $1000+ for an unlocked processor or, otherwise, face the fact the less expensive Quads are multiplier-limited.
- AM2+ platform owners will require a mere BIOS update and CPU swap to enjoy unlocked performance (potentially to 4GHz and beyond), while spending fewer than $300.
- Intel Core 2 platform owners wishing to undo being outdone by PII 940/945 PCs will have to spend – at a minimum – $500 for a platform and CPU change and closer to $1000 if seeking a premium MB and having to purchase quality DDR3 – only to outperform PII 940/945s by an even smaller margin than Yorkfields.
The good news is that the above will cause significant downward shifts in pricing, making previously unattainable (or undesirable) purchase prospects possible for many.