Wednesday, November 26th 2008
Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09
Intel plans its own public demonstration of the overclocking capabilities of the Core i7 processors. This, in response to rival AMD achieving an overclock of well beyond 5.00 GHz, and booting at speeds above 6.00 GHz. The engineers at Intel reportedly carried out a large-scale binning of Core i7 processors, to cherry-pick the best performing part. The scale of binning could well be best of 100,000 units.
A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.
Sources:
XtremeSystems, Chile Hardware
A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.
83 Comments on Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09
Also there was talk to going to FUGGER's house to do it, and 5 other cherry babies were going to Las Vegas. So that first trip is how to do it and in CES '09 they'll just repeat the steps with a new chip.
As long as amd have something to compete is all that matters,not who has the biggest trouser roll.
Both AMD and Intel use unlocked chips for these types of OC. Nevermind the typical price, how much does an unlocked Black Edition AMD chip cost ($) and how much does an unlocked Intel Extreme Edition chip cost ($$$$$). I'll put it another way, I can afford an AMD Black Edition chip because the price difference isnt too far off of typical retail prices but there is no way in hell I'm paying ~$1500 for an Intel Extreme Edition Core i7 or Core 2 based chip.
6GHz, 7GHz OCor higher, I dont really care how high an i7 965 Extreme Edition chip will go because I know I will never buy one. I also know most people here and most OCers wont buy an i7 965 at those prices either. If intel wants to compete with AMD they need to sell an unlocked chip at the same price as AMD does,....period!
I think the AMD Phenom II platform AM2 / AM3 will be cheap enough that I can buy and build one without much care for the fact that I already have an i7 chip.
Hell, who remembers the last time when Intel had to match something AMD is doing...anyone?
This is ES chip on LN2, the thread is on the xtremesystems forum.
It would be fun if a hardware review site show an easy OC @ 6Ghz of a retail PII chip but it wont happend. Pplz over xtremesystems may do it but I dont think in any way that this is going to be ''humiliating'' to Intel. Thats something only AMD fan boy can come up with.
screw ln2
which goes highest on air's wat i want to know,
and + if amds top chip which will cost a few hundres , can oc on par with a £1000 chip theres no competition . look at the intel qx9770 now its outperformed by something that costs a few hundred intel 920.
which means all those sandbagged CPUs they've been producing cost them money, cuase no one will wnat to buy them - and Intel's name is tarnished for a while.
I really think at this point, some judge needs to step in and dissolve the royalty agreement Intel has with AMD . . . hell, it's AMD's technology and development anyways, but they're still paying for it because they worked with and produced for Intel years and years ago. AMD would be much better off, and so would the market, if they didn't have to cough up those royalty fees.
Anyhow - kinda funny Intel has admitted to cheating before they've even gotten started, simply because they think AMD has cheated . . .
It'd be even funnier, IMO, if it turns out AMD just used a stand, middle of the line production CPU, disabled the temp diode, and went with that . . . which means (if they did), we might see AMD retaliate in the same manner Intel is now - if Intel manages to pull off what they are hoping for.
And not even close to the truth.Sure, me too. Want some OC on air. And I too want PII to kick ass, but what you think? Those 6.xx Ghz clock are done on AIR? Come on. Those BS are pure marketing and Intel falls for the same BS. "We can show you that i7 can overclock to 7.xx on temps close to the absolute zero... who the f*ck cares? Its not like I can achive those temps with air or water witch are the most used cooling solutions.
but i choose amd not because there better but becuase im 17 and dont have the money to buy parts to build a £400-£500 intel system . there is no one here who can really sa that amd's better ..... yet.
Secondly, being 17 and that budget isn't really a convincing excuse. Intel has a processor to offer for any and every price range.
The Phenom II will have a lower "instructions per clock cycle" then the i7 and Core 2 so it already has to clock higher.
Just remember computer parts here are alot more expensive then over there, eg the new i7 lowest quad is $600, the high end, over $2500.
O and to this thread LMAO, i think its so funny, as soon as AMD does something great intel go nuts, they just cant stand been beatin by a company they used to own and a company thats is a 8th of there size lol. Poor intel, they stuffed up in the first place. And they have to wait till 2009 to do this? lol what a load of BS, a company that big can do it tomorrow if they wanted to, doesn't add up to me.
1.) No consumer is going to ever hit those speeds, so I really don't give a rat's ass about them. I care about real world results. Overclocks on standard boards, with air cooling, maybe water.
2.) This is turning into a clock speed race again, just like in the P4 days. We have stopped talking about actual performance, and that is what matters. I have yet to see anyone talk about Phenom II's actual performance, all the hype has been about it's clock speeds. If the actual performance per clock is still lower than the Core 2's, there is still a bigger problem to solve.
These benches and speeds mean squat to normal people.