bta any word on when they might have 9.1 out?

Catalyst 9.1 WHQL should have been out by now. The last I heard, it was supposed to release on 19th. Facing delays.

Stop your whining!


I work for a major North American master distributor (we distribute to newegg, best buy, OEMs, etc,.)..

I've seen this ATI presentation in person (by Powercolor, Sapphire, and Asus),
and I've seen Nvidia's video card partners make similar presentations for their products.

Guess what? It's called marketing. Deal with it.

zadsStop your whining!


I work for a major North American master distributor (we distribute to newegg, best buy, OEMs, etc,.)..

I've seen this ATI presentation in person (by Powercolor, Sapphire, and Asus),
and I've seen Nvidia's video card partners make similar presentations for their products.

Guess what? It's called marketing. Deal with it.

sounds about right...

its true,

Its all thanks to the GDDR5 and the extra couple-hundred megabytes of memory. Nvidia fans are tough to explain :laugh: I WAS RIGHT.

Just remember NV awhile ago used the same exact tactic first stating their cards were better than the 4830 and that was untrue. Its just marketing, they sling mud at eachother and to call either side flawless is untrue.

The Witchergod damn O_o

I never knew that AMD were so stupid like that.

I guess they think that we are so unintelligent to the point that we won't even recognize their BS ?!

This made me lose my respect for AMD, they were so direct and rude -.-

They could get sued for this right ?

This thing reminds of the latest Asus VS Gigabyte war xD

In the end AMD will apologize :P

(Too many thoughts in my mind right now :P)

WeerWow, that's just cheap.

They purposefully set Crysis @ 2560x1600 with 4xAA, knowing that at exactly that setting the GTX 295 crumbles only because of memory capacity, and then yell at our faces bluntly provoking the lie that the 4870X2 is better.

Simply unbelievable.

Because it is better at those settings. You just said it yourself.

So many NV fanboys jumping on the flame-AMD-wagon here... I'm referring to the first 10 or so replies to this thread.

Please grow some brains and understand this is called "Marketing".

And also understand that this was done at a resolution+detail level which NV cannot cope with currently.

But I guess if you care about your GTX295 owning a 4870x2 at 1280x1024 0xAA and 0xAF, then that's your loss, not everyone else's.

I'm pretty impressed at everyone making fun of ATI. I agree it is pretty comical, but really I have seen this from both sides/

PCpraiser100its true,

Its all thanks to the GDDR5 and the extra couple-hundred megabytes of memory. Nvidia fans are tough to explain :laugh: I WAS RIGHT.

I would be very surprised, in a non synthetic everyday user envoirnment if either amounts of texture memory would ever be fully utilised to be honest....

There both ok, pretty dumb argument IMO.

Its always a good thing when one of them release a new card, brings the competition, either way the consumers win.

NyteSo many NV fanboys jumping on the flame-AMD-wagon here... I'm referring to the first 10 or so replies to this thread.

Please grow some brains and understand this is called "Marketing".

And also understand that this was done at a resolution+detail level which NV cannot cope with currently.

But I guess if you care about your GTX295 owning a 4870x2 at 1280x1024 0xAA and 0xAF, then that's your loss, not everyone else's.

They probably do, i would guess that 1280 makes up the bulk of worldwide users, closely followed by 16xx...... sad thing is, there probably are people with 19 inch monitors (who dont bench) who actually by these cards.

personally, I like marketing, it always adds a little humour to things!

thins x24870 still the strongest monster..:rockout:

Evo85Because it is better at those settings. You just said it yourself.

Yea, that's his point. 4870x2 only beat 295 because it has higher vram. In most situations gtx295 beats it because a lot of people do 1650 x 1080 and 1920 x 1200 which the 295 will perform better.

There is one more thing to say
cheapest gtx295 www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=GTX295&bop=And&Order=PRICE
499$
cheapest 4870x2
www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4870x2&bop=And&Order=PRICE
399$ after rebate
So , does it worth 100$ more the gtx295 ?

This sums it up!

meh enthusiast segment is out of control both cards do the job pretty well anyways, it's what else do you need for them to brand a car logo badge on it???? or shove 80 billion cores on the thing to where its so big it sits outside your box hooked up via external solution and a massive 30gb frame buffer on the widest bus known to man???

and on a side note, I wish both sides would just chill and hit a bong or something because I see one side flaming over marketing and I see a whole nother side whining about how this is done all the time, well thats craptastic man and when your done shoving big bold letters in my face about how this is marketing I'd like to get back to the point. /rant sorry shouldn't have went on irritated rant. gotta watch a polish film in a few minutes.

zadsStop your whining!


I work for a major North American master distributor (we distribute to newegg, best buy, OEMs, etc,.)..

I've seen this ATI presentation in person (by Powercolor, Sapphire, and Asus),
and I've seen Nvidia's video card partners make similar presentations for their products.

Guess what? It's called marketing. Deal with it.

of course my friend, but that doesn't mean that we don't know who is better:)

leonard_222003There is one more thing to say
cheapest gtx295 www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=GTX295&bop=And&Order=PRICE
499$
cheapest 4870x2
www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4870x2&bop=And&Order=PRICE
399$ after rebate
So , does it worth 100$ more the gtx295 ?

you don't pay 100$ more for best performance only, remember the power comp and heat, 4870x2 requires more power supply and make more heat

Marketing? You mean bullshit!

Marketing is one thing. Disingenuous truths and misrepresenting data to trick (an uninformed) consumer is another matter.

We sang ATI's praises when they released the earth stomping RV770. Now we sing for ATI to hold its head in shame.

lemonadesodaMarketing? You mean bullshit!

Is there really a difference?
Trust me, I know the results are skewed.
I'm just saying that all marketing is skewed, and you shouldn't be surprised at it.

zadsI hate when people criticize people who use huge bold text.
They try to sound smart when they can't even use simple spelling/semantics.
I don't know everything, but I do know way more about the industry than most of the people on here.

Dude, i really don't care if i spelled something wrong or not, this isn't english class:p. And i never called myself smart, i just stated an opinion on what i dislike about that text which was not directed towards you only, it was in general. If you know more then me and everyone else about Industy...well congrats is all i can say.:)

you hate.........well I love when ATI NV battle it out! Its all part of the game of benching and overclocking ! I love it when I am on top (oh ya do I ) and I am humbled and second guess my buying choices when I am on the bottum .... lol it friggin great ! Friggin aswsome actually ....we battle each other over 3FPS we push are ram ,we puch are CPU's , we push our GPU's , we raid like crazy our harddrives all in the hopes of just a few more FPS or just a couple more points ......shoot friends I have purchaced games that are said to be hardware killers for $50 just to see how bad it may or may not humble my hardware ... i have lost OS's and memory and mobo's and the likes just looking for another FPS another few points ....Come on folks if NV and fans didnt oppose ATI and fans the battles wouldnt be any where near as fun ....most of are competeing one way or another (at least I am ) ....So ya bring on the marcketing crap ,bring on the hype , bring on the early release sample reviews ...oh ya baby just bring it ! okay put your dukes up cuz I am gunning for you :toast::rockout::pimp::respect:

This kind of marketing has gone on since before we all (most of us, at least) were born and both companies do it. Who cares? Some radio companies from almost a century ago would boast how many vacuum tubes a radio had. Some weren't connected at all, or two of the same tube would share the load. I don't doubt it went on earlier, too.

As long as there's an 80 dollar price difference, I'd say the 4870x2 has a better price/performance ratio. I know that's not much, but who really cares if BOTH cards can render frames faster than the human eye can see, and one does 10-15 frames more? That's not worth the 80 dollars more yet, and probably never will be.

EVEREYBODY kNOWS THAT THE NVEDIA IS BETTER CARD THAN thE ATI.

Here's an idea: Never listen to nvidia or ati tell you how their cards perform. Let an unbiased review site do that for you.

Honestly, stop going so ape shit over something like this. All these dorks here who are like, "OH EM GEE THEY ARE LIARS" need to grow up.

The main difference between genius and stupidity is genius has it's limits.

Marketing? LOL, marketing is one thing, dishonesty is another..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishonesty

So yeah, we wont stop "bitching" cos liars deserves whats coming to them..